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From: Stephen Clark <Stephen.Clark@seclark.us>
To: Mark Hahn <hahn@mcmaster.ca>
Cc: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RSDL v0.31
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:22:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45FC23C0.5070903@seclark.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703171105270.16125@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>

Mark Hahn wrote:

>>So in an attempt to summarise the situation, what are the advantages of RSDL
>>over mainline.
>>
>>Fairness
>>    
>>
>
>why do you think fairness is good, especially always good?
>
>  
>
>>Starvation free
>>    
>>
>
>even starvation is sometimes a good thing - there's a place for processes
>that only use the CPU if it is otherwise idle.  that is, they are
>deliberately starved all the rest of the time.
>
>  
>
>>Much lower and bound latencies
>>    
>>
>
>in an average sense?  also, under what circumstances does this actually
>matter?  (please don't offer something like RT audio on an overloaded machine-
>that's operator error, not something to design for.)
>
>  
>
>>Deterministic
>>    
>>
>
>not a bad thing, but how does this make itself apparent and of value 
>to the user?  I think everyone is extremely comfortable with non-determinism
>(stemming from networks, caches, interleaved workloads, etc)
>
>  
>
>>Better interactivity for the majority of cases.
>>    
>>
>
>how is this measured?  is this statement really just a reiteration of 
>the latency claim?
>
>  
>
>>Now concentrating on the very last aspect since that seems to be the sticking
>>point.
>>    
>>
>
>nah, I think the fairness and latency claims are the real issues.
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I guess I wonder what is wrong with the current scheduler? I am running 
2.6.20.2 on a whitebook
laptop with a core 2 duo 1.86ghz 2gb of mem with an intel 945 shared 
memory graphics processor.
I am currently running X with beryl have vncserver connected to my main 
system, which I am
using to write this email, I am running also firefox and both of ingo 
test programs. I also am running
a make -j4 on a kernel rebuild without having any pauses or any problem 
doing anything interactively.

So again what does this new scheduler fix?

Steve

-- 

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, 
deserve neither liberty nor safety."  (Ben Franklin)

"The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty 
decreases."  (Thomas Jefferson)




  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-17 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 197+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-04 20:35 [ANNOUNCE] RSDL completely fair starvation free interactive cpu scheduler Al Boldi
2007-03-04 21:49 ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]   ` <45EB45F7.3050208@simon.arlott.org.uk>
2007-03-04 22:27     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-05 18:29       ` Simon Arlott
2007-03-05 21:36         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-04 23:13   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-04 23:58     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-05  0:10     ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-05  1:09     ` Gene Heskett
     [not found] ` <200703050834.45712.a1426z@gawab.com>
     [not found]   ` <20070305060732.GQ30401@nysv.org>
2007-03-05 11:59     ` [ck] " Al Boldi
2007-03-05 12:29       ` Con Kolivas
     [not found]         ` <200703052123.01095.a1426z@gawab.com>
2007-03-05 22:10           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-06  8:42             ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-06 15:15               ` Al Boldi
2007-03-11 18:11                 ` Al Boldi
2007-03-11 21:52                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-11 22:12                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12  4:42                       ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12  4:53                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 11:26                           ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 12:52                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 14:14                               ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 14:58                                 ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-12 16:37                                   ` michael chang
2007-03-12 17:41                                   ` Al Boldi
2007-03-12 18:05                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-12 18:47                                   ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-12 18:58                                     ` Antonio Vargas
2007-03-19 10:47                                       ` Helge Hafting
2007-03-18  1:30                               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18 10:50                               ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-13 15:31                             ` [PATCH] [RSDL-0.30] sched: rsdl improve latencies with differential nice Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 16:03                               ` [PATCH] [RSDL-0.30] sched: rsdl improve latencies with differential nice -1 Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 16:08                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 20:58                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-13 23:08                                   ` RSDL development plans Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 12:25                                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 13:40                                       ` RSDL v0.31 Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 15:34                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-16 21:13                                           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 22:30                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-16 23:05                                               ` [ck] " Dirk Schoebel
2007-03-17  4:24                                               ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17  5:56                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17  6:08                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 13:56                                                     ` Ed Tomlinson
2007-03-18 19:37                                                     ` Lee Revell
2007-03-18 19:55                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18 22:45                                                       ` Szonyi Calin
2007-03-19  2:27                                                     ` David Schwartz
2007-03-19  6:21                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-19  6:59                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-17  6:26                                                   ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17  7:11                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17  7:25                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-17  7:29                                                         ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17 11:48                                                       ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17  7:45                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17  7:44                                                       ` David Lang
2007-03-17  8:46                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 14:09                                                           ` [ck] " Mark Glines
2007-03-17 14:33                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 14:54                                                               ` Mark Glines
2007-03-17 14:58                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17  8:23                                                       ` Nicholas Miell
2007-03-17  9:42                                                         ` [patch] CFS scheduler: Completely Fair Scheduler / CONFIG_SCHED_FAIR Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17  8:41                                                       ` RSDL v0.31 Serge Belyshev
2007-03-17  9:48                                                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17  9:58                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 10:49                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 12:05                                                               ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17 13:36                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 17:03                                                                   ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17 17:37                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 18:23                                                                       ` [ck] " Kacper Wysocki
2007-03-17 18:45                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 13:58                                                             ` michael chang
2007-03-17 20:55                                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-03-18  6:17                                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  6:47                                                                 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18  7:08                                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  7:22                                                                     ` [ck] " Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-18  7:38                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  8:04                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  8:20                                                                         ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-03-18  8:34                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  9:57                                                                         ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18 13:57                                                                           ` Avuton Olrich
2007-03-19 20:47                                                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-20 10:19                                                                             ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-21  8:58                                                                             ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18 15:44                                                                         ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-18 16:09                                                                           ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-19 16:07                                                               ` Mark Lord
2007-03-19 16:26                                                                 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-19 16:36                                                                   ` Mark Lord
2007-03-19 16:43                                                                     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-20  3:11                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20  6:11                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-20  8:03                                                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-21 14:57                                                                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-21 16:02                                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-21 17:06                                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  7:07                                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  9:18                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-22  9:34                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  9:41                                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22 22:03                                                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-22 22:50                                                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-23  4:39                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-23  5:59                                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-23  6:11                                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-23 12:17                                                                                         ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                                                               ` <20070321161147.54c7a727@localhost>
2007-03-21 17:07                                                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-22  4:49                                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-22  7:14                                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-20  9:03                                                                           ` Xavier Bestel
2007-03-20 12:31                                                                             ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-20 19:16                                                                               ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-21  7:50                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-21 10:43                                                                               ` David Schwartz
2007-03-28 23:37                                                                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-29  7:10                                                                                   ` David Schwartz
2007-03-29  7:34                                                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-20 15:31                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-20 18:08                                                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-03-21  8:22                                                                             ` Keith Duthie
2007-03-28 23:43                                                                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-20 10:26                                                                         ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-20 13:22                                                                         ` Mark Lord
2007-03-20 15:16                                                                           ` Ray Lee
2007-03-20 15:20                                                                             ` Mark Lord
2007-03-21  8:55                                                                             ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-19 20:53                                                                 ` Al Boldi
2007-03-20 19:50                                                                   ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-21  4:15                                                                     ` Al Boldi
2007-03-21 17:24                                                                       ` Artur Skawina
2007-03-19 16:03                                                             ` Mark Lord
2007-03-17 11:49                                                           ` is RSDL an "unfair" scheduler too? Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 12:02                                                             ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17 12:23                                                               ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 17:31                                                                 ` David Schwartz
2007-03-17 12:28                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 12:43                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17 16:34                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-18  3:23                                                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18  2:13                                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18  3:20                                                                     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-03-18  5:37                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18 10:58                                                                       ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 12:15                                                             ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 20:41                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-18  1:25                                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-18  1:32                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-18  5:24                                                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-18  5:55                                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-19  2:27                                                                       ` David Schwartz
2007-03-19 13:27                                                                         ` Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-19 18:30                                                                           ` David Lang
2007-03-19 15:25                                                                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-19 16:06                                                                           ` Helge Hafting
2007-03-19 16:37                                                                             ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-18  6:09                                                                     ` Bill Huey
2007-03-18  6:37                                                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  7:35                                                                         ` Bill Huey
2007-03-19 21:14                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-18  6:26                                                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-18  6:54                                                                       ` [ck] " Radoslaw Szkodzinski
2007-03-18  7:58                                                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-03-18  8:45                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-18  5:00                                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-03-17 15:13                                                           ` RSDL v0.31 Mark Hahn
2007-03-17 17:22                                                             ` Stephen Clark [this message]
2007-03-19 15:06                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2007-03-17  7:56                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 11:07                                                       ` [ck] " jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 12:44                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-17 13:44                                                           ` jos poortvliet
2007-03-17 14:04                                                         ` [ck] " Ed Tomlinson
2007-03-17 14:32                                               ` Rik van Riel
2007-03-17 14:43                                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-17 15:39                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-16 17:12                                         ` AshMilsted
2007-03-16 17:41                                           ` Gabriel C
2007-03-16 21:55                                         ` Al Boldi
2007-03-17  2:51                                           ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17  4:40                                             ` Al Boldi
2007-03-17  4:57                                               ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-17  5:15                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2007-03-17 13:50                                                 ` Ed Tomlinson
2007-03-17 16:12                                                 ` Al Boldi
2007-03-16 13:42                                       ` RSDL development plans Mike Galbraith
2007-03-16 13:59                                         ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-16 14:07                                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-03-14  9:13                               ` [PATCH] [RSDL-0.30] sched: rsdl improve latencies with differential nice Mike Galbraith
2007-03-14  9:25                                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-03-14  9:42                                   ` Mike Galbraith

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