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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntrae@de.ibm.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	mathiasen@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A set of "standard" virtual devices?
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:45:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4612CAF4.908@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4612C077.60502@goop.org>

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> 
> So, what you're saying is:
> 
>    1. assuming there's going to be a vast number of miscellaneous devices
>    2. it would be best if there were one per device rather than one per
>       hypervisor per device
>    3. so we'd have one linux device driver
> 
> But this implies that the work is just pushed off into all the
> hypervisors to support this new device over the generic interface;
> there's no overall reduction of code or complexity, other than making
> "wc" on the kernel source smaller.
> 

Sure there is, assuming you deal about heterogenous clients.  I'm not 
sure Xen is (although that is, as far as I understand, being remedied), 
which might explain your different perspective.

Consider that this may not even be about Linux -- having these standard 
devices would enable, say, 'doze device drivers to be written and shared.

> That said, something like USB is probably the best bet for this kind of
> low-performance device.  I think.  Not that I really know anything about
> USB.

USB is evil in the extreme for this kind of stuff.  Although in theory 
you can have any HCI you want, in practice the ones that are implemented 
requires a very complex framework for full compatiblity.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-03 21:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02 20:18 A set of "standard" virtual devices? H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 20:31 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-02 20:33   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 21:49     ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-02 20:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:12   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:33     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 21:33       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 21:36       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:36         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:42         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:42           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-02 21:53             ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-02 22:04             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 22:10           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:10             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:25             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 22:25               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 22:30               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03  9:41             ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 10:41               ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 12:15                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 13:39                   ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 14:03                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 16:07                       ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03  8:29     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-04-03  8:30       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03  9:17         ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03  9:26           ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 10:51             ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 15:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-03 17:50           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 17:50             ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:07             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 19:42               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:55                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 20:03                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 20:03                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 21:00                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:00                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:45                       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-04-03 21:51                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 22:10                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 22:10                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 22:49                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04  0:52                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 13:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04 15:50                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 20:50                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 20:50                     ` Arnd Bergmann

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