From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
mathiasen@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A set of "standard" virtual devices?
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:10:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46117F72.6020506@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461178D9.402@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
>> The implementation wouldn't need to use PCI at all. There wouldn't
>> even need to be PCI like registers internally. Just a pci device
>> with an ID somewhere in sysfs. PCI with unique IDs
>> is just a convenient and well established key into the driver module
>> collection. Once you have the right driver it can do what it wants.
>
> But I understood hpa's suggestion to mean that there would be a standard
> PCI interface for a hardware RNG, and a single linux driver for that
> device, which all hypervisors would be expected to implement. But
> that's only reasonable if the virtualization environment has some notion
> of PCI to expose to the Linux guest.
>
That is, of course, true, although "some notion of" is very broad, and
one could also use this for detection and some hypervisor-specific
communication for the actual I/O.
However, one probably wants to think about what the heck one actually
means with "virtualization" in the absence of a lot of this stuff. PCI
is probably the closest thing we have to a lowest common denominator for
device detection.
-hpa
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
mathiasen@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A set of "standard" virtual devices?
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:10:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46117F72.6020506@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461178D9.402@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
>> The implementation wouldn't need to use PCI at all. There wouldn't
>> even need to be PCI like registers internally. Just a pci device
>> with an ID somewhere in sysfs. PCI with unique IDs
>> is just a convenient and well established key into the driver module
>> collection. Once you have the right driver it can do what it wants.
>
> But I understood hpa's suggestion to mean that there would be a standard
> PCI interface for a hardware RNG, and a single linux driver for that
> device, which all hypervisors would be expected to implement. But
> that's only reasonable if the virtualization environment has some notion
> of PCI to expose to the Linux guest.
>
That is, of course, true, although "some notion of" is very broad, and
one could also use this for detection and some hypervisor-specific
communication for the actual I/O.
However, one probably wants to think about what the heck one actually
means with "virtualization" in the absence of a lot of this stuff. PCI
is probably the closest thing we have to a lowest common denominator for
device detection.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-04-02 22:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-02 20:18 A set of "standard" virtual devices? H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 20:31 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-02 20:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 21:49 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-02 20:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:12 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 21:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 21:36 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:36 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:42 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-02 21:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-02 22:04 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-04-02 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 22:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 22:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 9:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 10:41 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 12:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 13:39 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 14:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 16:07 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 8:29 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-04-03 8:30 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 9:17 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 9:26 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 10:51 ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 15:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-03 17:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 17:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:07 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 19:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 20:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 20:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 21:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:00 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 21:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 22:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04 0:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 13:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04 15:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 20:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 20:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
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