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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	mathiasen@gmail.com, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: A set of "standard" virtual devices?
Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:50:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4613C941.6040706@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200704041511.42543.arnd@arndb.de>

Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> 
>> That being said, on platforms which are PCI-centric, such as x86, this 
>> of course makes it a lot easier to produce virtual devices which work 
>> across hypervisors, since the device model, of *any* operating system is 
>> set up to handle them.
> 
> Yes, as I said there are two separate problems. I really think that
> a standardized virtual driver interface should be modeled after
> kernel <-> user interfaces, not hardware <-> kernel interfaces.
> 
> Once we know what operations we want (e.g. read, write and SIGIO,
> or some other set of primitives), it will be good to provide a
> virtual PCI device that can be used as one transport mechanism
> below it. Using PCI device IDs to tell what functionality is
> provided by the device would provide a reasonable method for
> autoprobing.
> 

That seems like a reasonable approach.  I *do* care about 
hardware-equivalent interfaces, because they, too, keep getting 
reinvented, but it seems reasonable to approach it in a layered fashion 
like you describe.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-02 20:18 A set of "standard" virtual devices? H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 20:31 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-02 20:33   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 21:49     ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-02 20:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:12   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:33     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 21:33       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 21:36       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:36         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-02 21:42         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:42           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 21:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-02 21:53             ` Anthony Liguori
2007-04-02 22:04             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-02 22:10           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:10             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:25             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 22:25               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-02 22:30               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-02 22:30                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03  9:41             ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 10:41               ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 12:15                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 13:39                   ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 14:03                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 16:07                       ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03  8:29     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-04-03  8:30       ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03  9:17         ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03  9:26           ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 10:51             ` Cornelia Huck
2007-04-03 15:00             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-04-03 17:50           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 17:50             ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:07             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 19:42               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 19:55                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 20:03                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 20:03                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 21:00                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:00                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:45                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 21:51                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 22:10                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 22:10                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-03 22:49                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04  0:52                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-04-04 13:11                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-04 15:50                                 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-04-03 20:50                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 20:50                     ` Arnd Bergmann

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