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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: missing madvise functionality
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:54:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46149D13.4000108@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461494FE.1040403@redhat.com>

Ulrich Drepper a écrit :
> Eric Dumazet wrote:
>> Database workload, where the user multi threaded app is constantly
>> accessing GBytes of data, so L2 cache hit is very small. If you want to
>> oprofile it, with say a CPU_CLK_UNHALTED:5000 event, then find_vma() is
>> in the top 5.
> 
> We did have a workload with lots of Java and databases at some point
> when many VMAs were the issue.  I brought this up here one, maybe two
> years ago and I think Blaisorblade went on and looked into avoiding VMA
> splits by having mprotect() not split VMAs and instead store the flags
> in the page table somewhere.  I don't remember the details.
> 
> Nothing came out of this but if this is possible it would be yet another
> way to avoid mmap_sem locking, right?
> 

I was speaking about oprofile needs, that may interfere with target process 
needs, since oprofile calls find_vma() on the target process mm and thus zap 
its mmap_cache.

oprofile is yet another mmap_sem user, but also a mmap_cache destroyer.

We could at least have a separate cache, only for oprofile.

If done correctly we might avoid taking mmap_sem when the same vm_area_struct 
contains EIP/RIP snapshots.



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From: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: missing madvise functionality
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 08:54:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46149D13.4000108@cosmosbay.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <461494FE.1040403@redhat.com>

Ulrich Drepper a A(C)crit :
> Eric Dumazet wrote:
>> Database workload, where the user multi threaded app is constantly
>> accessing GBytes of data, so L2 cache hit is very small. If you want to
>> oprofile it, with say a CPU_CLK_UNHALTED:5000 event, then find_vma() is
>> in the top 5.
> 
> We did have a workload with lots of Java and databases at some point
> when many VMAs were the issue.  I brought this up here one, maybe two
> years ago and I think Blaisorblade went on and looked into avoiding VMA
> splits by having mprotect() not split VMAs and instead store the flags
> in the page table somewhere.  I don't remember the details.
> 
> Nothing came out of this but if this is possible it would be yet another
> way to avoid mmap_sem locking, right?
> 

I was speaking about oprofile needs, that may interfere with target process 
needs, since oprofile calls find_vma() on the target process mm and thus zap 
its mmap_cache.

oprofile is yet another mmap_sem user, but also a mmap_cache destroyer.

We could at least have a separate cache, only for oprofile.

If done correctly we might avoid taking mmap_sem when the same vm_area_struct 
contains EIP/RIP snapshots.


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-05  6:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-03 16:26 missing madvise functionality Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 16:55 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 17:10   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 17:37     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 18:14 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 17:20   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 17:28     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 19:59       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 19:59         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:09         ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 20:09           ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 20:17         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 20:29           ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-03 20:29             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-03 20:38             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 20:38               ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:49             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 21:49               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:01               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 23:01                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  2:22                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  2:22                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  5:41                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  5:41                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  6:09                     ` [patches] threaded vma patches (was Re: missing madvise functionality) Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:09                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04  6:26                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04  6:38                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:42                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04  6:44                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:44                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  6:50                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  6:50                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  6:54                           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04  7:33                             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  7:33                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  8:25                   ` missing madvise functionality Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-04  8:25                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-04  8:55                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:12                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04  9:12                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04  9:23                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:23                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:34                       ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  9:34                         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04  9:45                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  9:45                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 10:05                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 10:05                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 11:54                           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 11:54                             ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  2:01                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  2:01                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  6:09                               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  6:09                                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  6:19                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-05  6:54                                   ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2007-04-05  6:54                                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 23:02               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:02                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04  9:15                 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04  9:15                   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 14:55                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 14:55                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 15:25                     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 15:25                       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-05  1:44                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  1:44                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 18:04                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:04                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:08                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 18:08                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 20:56                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 20:56                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:39                     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 18:39                       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-03 23:44               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:44                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 13:09             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 13:38               ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 13:38                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 18:51               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:51                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  4:14                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-05  4:14                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 23:00             ` preemption and rwsems (was: Re: missing madvise functionality) Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 23:00               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 12:48               ` David Howells
2007-04-05 12:48                 ` David Howells
2007-04-05 19:11                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 19:11                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 20:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 20:37                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06  9:08                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:30                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 19:30                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 19:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:40                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 19:27                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 19:27                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  7:31             ` missing madvise functionality Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  7:39               ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  7:39                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  8:32                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05  8:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 15:47                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 15:47                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  8:08               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  8:08                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  8:31                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  8:31                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05  9:06                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  9:06                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05  9:45               ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-05  9:45                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-05 16:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 16:15                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 16:10               ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06  2:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06  2:28                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06  2:52                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06  2:59                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06  2:59                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-03 20:51           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:51             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:57             ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 21:00             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:00               ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:10               ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:10                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:12                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-03 21:12                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-03 21:15                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:15                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:30                   ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:30                     ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:22                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:22                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:29                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:29                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:46                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 22:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 22:51                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 23:07                     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 21:16               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 21:16                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:49             ` Anton Blanchard
2007-04-04 18:49               ` Anton Blanchard
2007-04-03 22:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 22:23   ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04  2:53 ` Marko Macek
2007-04-04  2:56   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 14:37   ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04  7:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:04   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:04     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:20   ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-04  8:20     ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-04  8:47     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  8:47       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  4:23       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 18:38   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 18:38     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 21:07     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 21:07       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 21:39       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 21:39         ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-06  1:28     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06  1:28       ` Nick Piggin

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