From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: missing madvise functionality
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:59:42 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4615B79E.9080407@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4615B5D9.7060703@redhat.com>
Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Nick Piggin wrote:
>
>>Cool. According to my thinking, madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) even in today's
>>kernels using down_write(mmap_sem) for MADV_DONTNEED is better than
>>mmap/mprotect, which have more fundamental locking requirements, more
>>overhead and no benefits (except debugging, I suppose).
>
>
> It's a tiny bit faster, see
>
> http://people.redhat.com/drepper/dontneed.png
>
> I just ran it once so the graph is not smooth. This is on a UP dual
> core machine. Maybe tomorrow I'll turn on the big 4p machine.
Hmm, I saw an improvement, but that was just on a raw syscall test
with a single page chunk. Real-world use I guess will get progressively
less dramatic as other overheads start being introduced.
Multi-thread performance probably won't get a whole lot better (it does
eliminate 1 down_write(mmap_sem), but one remains) until you use my
madvise patch.
> I would have to see dramatically different results on the big machine to
> make me change the libc code. The reason is that there is a big drawback.
>
> So far, when we allocate a new arena, we allocate address space with
> PROT_NONE and only when we need memory the protection is changed to
> PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE. This is the advantage of catching wild pointer
> accesses.
Sure, yes. And I guess you'd always want to keep that options around as
a debugging aid.
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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: missing madvise functionality
Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 12:59:42 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4615B79E.9080407@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4615B5D9.7060703@redhat.com>
Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Nick Piggin wrote:
>
>>Cool. According to my thinking, madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) even in today's
>>kernels using down_write(mmap_sem) for MADV_DONTNEED is better than
>>mmap/mprotect, which have more fundamental locking requirements, more
>>overhead and no benefits (except debugging, I suppose).
>
>
> It's a tiny bit faster, see
>
> http://people.redhat.com/drepper/dontneed.png
>
> I just ran it once so the graph is not smooth. This is on a UP dual
> core machine. Maybe tomorrow I'll turn on the big 4p machine.
Hmm, I saw an improvement, but that was just on a raw syscall test
with a single page chunk. Real-world use I guess will get progressively
less dramatic as other overheads start being introduced.
Multi-thread performance probably won't get a whole lot better (it does
eliminate 1 down_write(mmap_sem), but one remains) until you use my
madvise patch.
> I would have to see dramatically different results on the big machine to
> make me change the libc code. The reason is that there is a big drawback.
>
> So far, when we allocate a new arena, we allocate address space with
> PROT_NONE and only when we need memory the protection is changed to
> PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE. This is the advantage of catching wild pointer
> accesses.
Sure, yes. And I guess you'd always want to keep that options around as
a debugging aid.
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Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-04-03 16:26 missing madvise functionality Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 16:55 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 17:10 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 17:37 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 18:14 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 17:20 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 17:28 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 20:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 20:17 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 20:29 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-03 20:29 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-03 20:38 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 20:38 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 23:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 2:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 2:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 5:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 5:41 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 6:09 ` [patches] threaded vma patches (was Re: missing madvise functionality) Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 6:09 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 6:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 6:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 6:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 6:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 6:42 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04 6:44 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 6:44 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 6:50 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 6:50 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 6:54 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04 7:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 7:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 8:25 ` missing madvise functionality Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-04 8:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-04 8:55 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 9:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 9:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 9:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 9:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 9:34 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 9:34 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 9:45 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 9:45 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 10:05 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 10:05 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 11:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-04 11:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 2:01 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 2:01 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 6:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 6:09 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 6:19 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-05 6:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 6:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 23:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 9:15 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 9:15 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 14:55 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 14:55 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 15:25 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 15:25 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-05 1:44 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 1:44 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 18:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:04 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:08 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 18:08 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 20:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 20:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:39 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 18:39 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-03 23:44 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 23:44 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 13:09 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 13:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 13:38 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 18:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 4:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-05 4:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-04 23:00 ` preemption and rwsems (was: Re: missing madvise functionality) Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 12:48 ` David Howells
2007-04-05 12:48 ` David Howells
2007-04-05 19:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 19:11 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 9:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:30 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 19:30 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-06 19:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-05 19:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 19:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 7:31 ` missing madvise functionality Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 7:39 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 7:39 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 8:32 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 8:32 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 15:47 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 15:47 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 8:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 8:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 8:31 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 8:31 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 9:06 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 9:06 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 9:45 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-05 9:45 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-05 16:15 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 16:15 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 16:10 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06 2:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06 2:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06 2:52 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06 2:59 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-04-06 2:59 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-03 20:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:51 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 20:57 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 21:00 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:00 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:12 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-03 21:12 ` Jörn Engel
2007-04-03 21:15 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:15 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-03 21:22 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:22 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-04-03 21:29 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:29 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-03 21:46 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 22:51 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 22:51 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-03 23:07 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-03 21:16 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-03 21:16 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-04 18:49 ` Anton Blanchard
2007-04-04 18:49 ` Anton Blanchard
2007-04-03 22:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-04-03 22:23 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-04 2:53 ` Marko Macek
2007-04-04 2:56 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-04 14:37 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-04 7:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 8:04 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 8:04 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 8:20 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-04 8:20 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-04 8:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 8:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 4:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05 18:38 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 18:38 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 21:07 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 21:07 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-05 21:39 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-05 21:39 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-06 1:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06 1:28 ` Nick Piggin
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