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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, shak <dshaks@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] lazy freeing of memory through MADV_FREE
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:36:48 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <462ACA40.8070407@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4629524C.5040302@redhat.com>

Rik van Riel wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:38:06 -0400
>> Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew Morton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've also merged Nick's "mm: madvise avoid exclusive mmap_sem".
>>>>
>>>> - Nick's patch also will help this problem.  It could be that your 
>>>> patch
>>>>   no longer offers a 2x speedup when combined with Nick's patch.
>>>>
>>>>   It could well be that the combination of the two is even better, 
>>>> but it
>>>>   would be nice to firm that up a bit.  
>>>
>>> I'll test that.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Well, good news.
> 
> It turns out that Nick's patch does not improve peak
> performance much, but it does prevent the decline when
> running with 16 threads on my quad core CPU!
> 
> We _definately_ want both patches, there's a huge benefit
> in having them both.
> 
> Here are the transactions/seconds for each combination:
> 
>    vanilla   new glibc  madv_free kernel   madv_free + mmap_sem
> threads
> 
> 1     610         609             596                545
> 2    1032        1136            1196               1200
> 4    1070        1128            2014               2024
> 8    1000        1088            1665               2087
> 16    779        1073            1310               1999


Is "new glibc" meaning MADV_DONTNEED + kernel with mmap_sem patch?

The strange thing with your madv_free kernel is that it doesn't
help single-threaded performance at all. So that work to avoid
zeroing the new page is not a win at all there (maybe due to the
cache effects I was worried about?).

However MADV_FREE does improve scalability, which is interesting.
The most likely reason I can see why that may be the case is that
it avoids mmap_sem when faulting pages back in (I doubt it is due
to avoiding the page allocator, but maybe?).

So where is the down_write coming from in this workload, I wonder?
Heap management? What syscalls?

x86_64's rwsems are crap under heavy parallelism (even read-only),
as I fixed in my recent generic rwsems patch. I don't expect MySQL
to be such a mmap_sem microbenchmark, but I wonder how much this
would help?

What if we ran the private futexes patch to further cut down
mmap_sem contention?

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>, shak <dshaks@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] lazy freeing of memory through MADV_FREE
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:36:48 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <462ACA40.8070407@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4629524C.5040302@redhat.com>

Rik van Riel wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:38:06 -0400
>> Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew Morton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've also merged Nick's "mm: madvise avoid exclusive mmap_sem".
>>>>
>>>> - Nick's patch also will help this problem.  It could be that your 
>>>> patch
>>>>   no longer offers a 2x speedup when combined with Nick's patch.
>>>>
>>>>   It could well be that the combination of the two is even better, 
>>>> but it
>>>>   would be nice to firm that up a bit.  
>>>
>>> I'll test that.
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Well, good news.
> 
> It turns out that Nick's patch does not improve peak
> performance much, but it does prevent the decline when
> running with 16 threads on my quad core CPU!
> 
> We _definately_ want both patches, there's a huge benefit
> in having them both.
> 
> Here are the transactions/seconds for each combination:
> 
>    vanilla   new glibc  madv_free kernel   madv_free + mmap_sem
> threads
> 
> 1     610         609             596                545
> 2    1032        1136            1196               1200
> 4    1070        1128            2014               2024
> 8    1000        1088            1665               2087
> 16    779        1073            1310               1999


Is "new glibc" meaning MADV_DONTNEED + kernel with mmap_sem patch?

The strange thing with your madv_free kernel is that it doesn't
help single-threaded performance at all. So that work to avoid
zeroing the new page is not a win at all there (maybe due to the
cache effects I was worried about?).

However MADV_FREE does improve scalability, which is interesting.
The most likely reason I can see why that may be the case is that
it avoids mmap_sem when faulting pages back in (I doubt it is due
to avoiding the page allocator, but maybe?).

So where is the down_write coming from in this workload, I wonder?
Heap management? What syscalls?

x86_64's rwsems are crap under heavy parallelism (even read-only),
as I fixed in my recent generic rwsems patch. I don't expect MySQL
to be such a mmap_sem microbenchmark, but I wonder how much this
would help?

What if we ran the private futexes patch to further cut down
mmap_sem contention?

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-22  2:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-17  7:15 [PATCH] lazy freeing of memory through MADV_FREE Rik van Riel
2007-04-19 21:15 ` [PATCH] lazy freeing of memory through MADV_FREE 2/2 Rik van Riel
2007-04-20 21:03   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-20 21:03     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-20 21:24     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 21:24       ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-21  7:37       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-21  7:37         ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-21 16:32         ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-21 16:32           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-20 20:57 ` [PATCH] lazy freeing of memory through MADV_FREE Andrew Morton
2007-04-20 20:57   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-20 21:38   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-20 21:38     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-20 22:06     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-20 22:06       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-20 23:52       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-20 23:52         ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-21  0:48         ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-21  0:48           ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-21  3:58           ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-21  3:58             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-21  7:12         ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-21  7:12           ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-23  4:36           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  4:36             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-22  2:36         ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-04-22  2:36           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-22  2:50           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-22  2:50             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-22  6:31           ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-22  6:31             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  0:16             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  0:16               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  3:53               ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  3:53                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  3:58                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23  3:58                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 10:07                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 10:07                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 10:12                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23 10:12                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  3:59                 ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  3:59                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  9:20                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23 10:21                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 10:21                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 10:31                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23 10:31                         ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23 10:35                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 10:35                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-23 10:44                           ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-24  1:15                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24  1:15                               ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24  1:58                               ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-24  2:16                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24  2:16                                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-24  4:42                                 ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-24  4:42                                   ` Paul Mackerras
2007-04-24  5:13                                   ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-24  5:13                                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-24  2:53                           ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-24  3:08                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24  3:08                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-23 10:44                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-23 10:44                         ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-23 11:45                     ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23 11:45                       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  4:28           ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-23  4:28             ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-21  7:24     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-21  7:24       ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-21 18:06       ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-21 18:06         ` Rik van Riel
2007-04-22  8:18 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-22  8:18   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-22  9:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-22  9:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-22 16:55     ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-22 16:55       ` Ulrich Drepper

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