From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1 of 2] block_page_mkwrite() Implementation V2
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:41:47 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <464B0A1B.4000209@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17244.1179321647@redhat.com>
David Howells wrote:
> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Dave is using prepare_write here to ensure blocks are allocated in the
>>given range. The filesystem's ->nopage function must ensure it is uptodate
>>before allowing it to be mapped.
>
>
> Which is fine... assuming it's called. For blockdev-based filesystems, this
> is probably true. But I'm not sure you can guarantee it.
>
> I've seen Ext3, for example, unlocking a page that isn't yet uptodate.
> nopage() won't get called on it again, but prepare_write() might. I don't
> know why this happens, but it's something I've fallen over in doing
> CacheFiles. When reading, readpage() is just called on it again and again
> until it is up to date. When writing, prepare_write() is called correctly.
There are bugs in the core VM and block filesystem code where !uptodate pages
are left in pagetables. Some of these are fixed in -mm.
But they aren't a good reason to invent completely different ways to do things.
>>Consider that the code currently works OK today _without_ page_mkwrite.
>>page_mkwrite is being added to do block allocation / reservation.
>
>
> Which doesn't prove anything. All it means is that PG_uptodate being unset is
> handled elsewhere.
It means that Dave's page_mkwrite function will do the block allocation
and everything else continues as it is. Your suggested change to pass in
offset == to is just completely wrong for this.
PG_uptodate being unset should be done via pagecache invalidation or truncation
APIs, which (sometimes... modulo bugs) tear down pagetables first.
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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1 of 2] block_page_mkwrite() Implementation V2
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:41:47 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <464B0A1B.4000209@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17244.1179321647@redhat.com>
David Howells wrote:
> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Dave is using prepare_write here to ensure blocks are allocated in the
>>given range. The filesystem's ->nopage function must ensure it is uptodate
>>before allowing it to be mapped.
>
>
> Which is fine... assuming it's called. For blockdev-based filesystems, this
> is probably true. But I'm not sure you can guarantee it.
>
> I've seen Ext3, for example, unlocking a page that isn't yet uptodate.
> nopage() won't get called on it again, but prepare_write() might. I don't
> know why this happens, but it's something I've fallen over in doing
> CacheFiles. When reading, readpage() is just called on it again and again
> until it is up to date. When writing, prepare_write() is called correctly.
There are bugs in the core VM and block filesystem code where !uptodate pages
are left in pagetables. Some of these are fixed in -mm.
But they aren't a good reason to invent completely different ways to do things.
>>Consider that the code currently works OK today _without_ page_mkwrite.
>>page_mkwrite is being added to do block allocation / reservation.
>
>
> Which doesn't prove anything. All it means is that PG_uptodate being unset is
> handled elsewhere.
It means that Dave's page_mkwrite function will do the block allocation
and everything else continues as it is. Your suggested change to pass in
offset == to is just completely wrong for this.
PG_uptodate being unset should be done via pagecache invalidation or truncation
APIs, which (sometimes... modulo bugs) tear down pagetables first.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-05-16 13:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-18 23:30 [PATCH 1 of 2] block_page_mkwrite() Implementation V2 David Chinner
2007-03-18 23:30 ` David Chinner
2007-03-19 6:37 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 6:37 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 8:12 ` David Chinner
2007-03-19 8:12 ` David Chinner
2007-03-19 9:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 9:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 10:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 10:28 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 9:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-19 9:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-19 10:11 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 10:11 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-19 12:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-19 12:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-03-20 5:34 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-20 5:34 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-16 10:19 ` David Howells
2007-05-16 10:19 ` David Howells
2007-05-16 11:59 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-16 11:59 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-16 13:20 ` David Howells
2007-05-16 13:20 ` David Howells
2007-05-16 13:41 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-05-16 13:41 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-16 12:09 ` David Woodhouse
2007-05-16 12:09 ` David Woodhouse
2007-05-16 12:53 ` Chris Mason
2007-05-16 12:53 ` Chris Mason
2007-05-16 13:04 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-16 13:04 ` Nick Piggin
2007-05-16 13:10 ` Chris Mason
2007-05-16 13:10 ` Chris Mason
2007-05-16 13:25 ` David Howells
2007-05-16 13:25 ` David Howells
2007-05-16 23:28 ` David Chinner
2007-05-16 23:28 ` David Chinner
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