Grub Loading Linux? kernel

Grub Loading Linux? kernel

[adrian15]

When you boot Grub... it prompts something like:

Grub loading kernel

then you see:

Welcome to GRUB.

and then you see the prompt.

Let's see an irc conversation of the future.

noob> Hey My Grub loads the linux kernel but then nothing happens.
master> noob, if Grub loads the linux kernel then if it does not boot
it's usually a linux kernel problem not a grub one.
noob> What should I do then?
master> Go to #linux channel and ask there please.

The problem here is that user has seen in the screen:

Grub loading kernel
and he has thought that Grub was loading actually his linux kernel what
it isn't true at all.

So... why don't we prompt something like:

	Grub loading...
	or
	Grub loading itself

?


adrian15

Re: Grub Loading Linux? kernel

[Robert Millan]

On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 08:04:43PM +0200, adrian15 wrote:
> When you boot Grub... it prompts something like:
> 
> Grub loading kernel
> 
> then you see:
> 
> Welcome to GRUB.
> 
> and then you see the prompt.
> 
> Let's see an irc conversation of the future.
> 
> noob> Hey My Grub loads the linux kernel but then nothing happens.
> master> noob, if Grub loads the linux kernel then if it does not boot
> it's usually a linux kernel problem not a grub one.
> noob> What should I do then?
> master> Go to #linux channel and ask there please.

I think this is just another variant of the same "Linux" / "kernel" confusion
that makes users think of Linux as the whole OS.

This is confusing and contradictory, and this confusion is exposed in other
areas.  For example, because Linux "is" the whole OS, they can't use "Linux"
to refer to the real Linux (i.e. the kernel), so they call it "Kernel".

That is also contradictory, and the confusion spreads again.  Now if you say
"kernel", it turns out you must be talking about Linux!

I don't think that GRUB nomenclature should be modelled around this scheme
that is based on misconceptions.  Rather, precisely because GRUB exposes
these contradictions, this should encourage other people to realise about
them.

OTOH, if you replace:

  "GRUB loading kernel"

with:

  "Loading GRUB kernel"

Maybe this archieves to resolve both concerns?

-- 
Robert Millan

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Re: Grub Loading Linux? kernel

[jean-christophe.haessig]

> On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 08:04:43PM +0200, adrian15 wrote:
> OTOH, if you replace:
>
>   "GRUB loading kernel"
>
> with:
>
>   "Loading GRUB kernel"

Why not "Loading GRUB core" ? It's already called that name in the files
anyway.

JC

Re: Grub Loading Linux? kernel

[adrian15]

Robert Millan escribió:
> OTOH, if you replace:
> 
>   "GRUB loading kernel"
> 
> with:
> 
>   "Loading GRUB kernel"
> 
> Maybe this archieves to resolve both concerns?
> 

I vote for it.

I think I might do a miscelanea patch with all these little details that 
I've been finding in the last two days.

adrian15

Re: Grub Loading Linux? kernel

[Alex Roman]

On 08/06/07, adrian15 <adrian15@raulete.net> wrote:
> Robert Millan escribió:
> > OTOH, if you replace:
> >
> >   "GRUB loading kernel"
> >
> > with:
> >
> >   "Loading GRUB kernel"
> >
> > Maybe this archieves to resolve both concerns?
> >
>
> I vote for it.
>

I also think that's a good idea.

-- 
Alex Roman <alex.roman@gmail.com>