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From: Martin Peschke <mp3@de.ibm.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jbaron@redhat.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [Patch 4/4] lock contention tracking slimmed down
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:07:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46697ED4.3050403@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070607072720.GA19976@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> if the infrastructure your are advocating does not allow us to keep the 
> existing output then it's simply not flexible enough.

Let's be precise. If "keep the existing output" means any format change is
unacceptible to you, then I broke things. If it means that my method provides
data equivalent in respect of content, then I didn't break the lock contention
output.

> Why on earth are you even arguing about this?
 > A "cleanup" should not change the output, simple as that.
 > Do a patch that has the _same_ output and then we can
> see whether it's a good patch. You made the same mistake with your 
> /proc/timer_stats cleanups.

We got to be careful here. My other proposal was doomed because timerstat became 
kernel ABI in the meantime. We won't break the kernel ABI. I was late, as simple 
as that.

The lock contention stuff isn't kernel ABI yet. This is -mm code, stuff
intented for a wider audience and discussion. It should be perfectly fine
to scrutinize kernel ABI additions before we get beyond the point of no return.

> I dont like NACK-ing patches but you seem to 
> be missing the basic precondition of cleanups: no functional effect to 
> the code, and certainly no change in output.

I don't see the point of judging something by goals that have not been set.
I have advertised my patches as: same purpose, different or generalised method,
differences in output format, output equivalent in respect of content,
much more code sharing.

Martin

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-08 16:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-06 21:34 [RFC] [Patch 4/4] lock contention tracking slimmed down Martin Peschke
2007-06-06 23:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-07  0:17   ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-07  4:40     ` Bill Huey
2007-06-07  7:03       ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-07  7:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-07  8:56           ` Bill Huey
2007-06-11 11:26             ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-08 16:27           ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-07  6:39     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-07  6:59       ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-07  7:27         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-08 16:07           ` Martin Peschke [this message]
2007-06-06 23:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-07  0:21   ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-07  7:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-08 17:00   ` Martin Peschke
     [not found]     ` <1181322460.5728.2.camel@lappy>
     [not found]       ` <46698F7F.4090407@de.ibm.com>
2007-06-08 17:27         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-08 17:37           ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-08 17:50             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-11 10:31               ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-07  7:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-08 17:13   ` Martin Peschke
2007-06-07  8:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-06-07 10:21   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-06-11 12:20   ` Martin Peschke

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