From: Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
To: "Jorge Lucángeli Obes" <t4m5yn-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Storing command line options in images
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:02:32 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46BC8C18.6020108@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59abf66e0708092155t2e3cd5o32f23c018bed65af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
Jorge Lucángeli Obes wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> >From what I've gathered, it seems that we have basically four options
> at hand. I think it's important to notice, however, that whatever
> comes out of this will probably be, as Avi said, a "low-end" solution.
> IMHO there's room to have both the high-end libvirt-like approach, and
> the "shell replacer" approach.
>
> So let's see:
>
> 1- We could go the way of the patches I've posted, adding the comments
> everyone's made.
> 1a- It's a good idea to actively signal QEMU to read command line
> options from the image file, and not have it on by default.
>
I think if you have to add a new option, the base implementation is
wrong. The whole point of this is to simplify things for the user and
adding more weird options just makes things more complicated.
> 1b- As Avi said, there are many guest-related options that would be
> good to store _somewhere_. The user always has the option of using
> qemu-img to review the options that the VM is going to use. I think
> that having a "valid" set of options that the user can store will
> complicate things too much.
>
> 2- We could bump qcow's version number and add command line options as
> "first-class citizens" of the image world.
> 2a- As Anthony suggested, it could be a good starting point to make
> sure these version transition happen in a smoother way.
>
> 3- We could add command line options as plain text in the image
> itself. Sounds (to me) risky and not very user friendly.
>
Why is it risky or user unfriendly? From the user's perspective, it's
no different from storing it in a snapshot. The user still needs a
separate tool (qemu-img) to view and manipulate the command line. The
only real user facing difference is that the image itself is now
directly executable. This turns out to be a Good Thing in that the user
is now aware that he must trust that image which addresses the concern
in 1a.
> 4- We could have configuration files associated with the host and guests.
> 4a- Embedded XML.
> 4b- Separate files.
>
This is a big effort but a config file is the right long term solution.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
> What do you guys think? I'm partial to 1 or 2. Since the beginning my
> approach was that of a simple solution for a simple feature.
>
> Cheers,
> Jorge
>
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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: "Jorge Lucángeli Obes" <t4m5yn@gmail.com>
Cc: kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] Storing command line options in images
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:02:32 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46BC8C18.6020108@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59abf66e0708092155t2e3cd5o32f23c018bed65af@mail.gmail.com>
Jorge Lucángeli Obes wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> >From what I've gathered, it seems that we have basically four options
> at hand. I think it's important to notice, however, that whatever
> comes out of this will probably be, as Avi said, a "low-end" solution.
> IMHO there's room to have both the high-end libvirt-like approach, and
> the "shell replacer" approach.
>
> So let's see:
>
> 1- We could go the way of the patches I've posted, adding the comments
> everyone's made.
> 1a- It's a good idea to actively signal QEMU to read command line
> options from the image file, and not have it on by default.
>
I think if you have to add a new option, the base implementation is
wrong. The whole point of this is to simplify things for the user and
adding more weird options just makes things more complicated.
> 1b- As Avi said, there are many guest-related options that would be
> good to store _somewhere_. The user always has the option of using
> qemu-img to review the options that the VM is going to use. I think
> that having a "valid" set of options that the user can store will
> complicate things too much.
>
> 2- We could bump qcow's version number and add command line options as
> "first-class citizens" of the image world.
> 2a- As Anthony suggested, it could be a good starting point to make
> sure these version transition happen in a smoother way.
>
> 3- We could add command line options as plain text in the image
> itself. Sounds (to me) risky and not very user friendly.
>
Why is it risky or user unfriendly? From the user's perspective, it's
no different from storing it in a snapshot. The user still needs a
separate tool (qemu-img) to view and manipulate the command line. The
only real user facing difference is that the image itself is now
directly executable. This turns out to be a Good Thing in that the user
is now aware that he must trust that image which addresses the concern
in 1a.
> 4- We could have configuration files associated with the host and guests.
> 4a- Embedded XML.
> 4b- Separate files.
>
This is a big effort but a config file is the right long term solution.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
> What do you guys think? I'm partial to 1 or 2. Since the beginning my
> approach was that of a simple solution for a simple feature.
>
> Cheers,
> Jorge
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-10 16:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-10 4:55 Storing command line options in images Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-10 4:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
[not found] ` <59abf66e0708092155t2e3cd5o32f23c018bed65af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 16:02 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2007-08-10 16:02 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <46BC8C18.6020108-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 17:14 ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-10 17:14 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46BC9CDB.3080900-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 18:43 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-08-10 18:43 ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <46BCB1DA.6060102-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 19:41 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-10 19:41 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46BCBF73.5060406-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 20:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-08-10 20:11 ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
[not found] ` <46BCC666.6050406-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-11 1:41 ` Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-11 1:41 ` [kvm-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
[not found] ` <59abf66e0708101841i76e26a35vcbc8df14b21f1ac0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-13 8:55 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13 8:55 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46C01C8D.3060304-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-13 9:19 ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 9:19 ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13 9:27 ` [kvm-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-13 9:27 ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-14 14:18 ` [kvm-devel] " Markus Hitter
2007-08-14 14:18 ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Markus Hitter
[not found] ` <F213D784-7927-4233-BD3E-57A808D31FE7-5aU9hSJ5JWgb1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 14:31 ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-14 14:31 ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
[not found] ` <46C1BCAC.9030203-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 19:02 ` Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-14 19:02 ` [kvm-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
[not found] ` <59abf66e0708141202t4eaf009cs4596cc76a164e3de-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 20:07 ` Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-14 20:07 ` [kvm-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
[not found] ` <20070814200757.GA7685-eH4hzgmiRX8dwXzzRB9H2Q@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 20:46 ` Christian MICHON
2007-08-14 20:46 ` [kvm-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-13 19:39 ` [kvm-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-13 19:39 ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-13 22:21 ` Philip Boulain
2007-08-13 22:27 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Jernej Simončič
2007-08-13 23:31 ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-14 14:26 ` Philip Boulain
[not found] ` <20070813193927.GA21215-eH4hzgmiRX8dwXzzRB9H2Q@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-13 20:26 ` Christian MICHON
2007-08-13 20:26 ` [kvm-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-14 3:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-08-14 3:17 ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-08-14 4:39 ` Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-14 4:39 ` [kvm-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-14 7:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2007-08-14 7:46 ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-14 7:46 ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Laurent Vivier
[not found] ` <46C15DCE.1000205-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-15 21:26 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 21:26 ` [kvm-devel] " Segher Boessenkool
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