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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: Storing command line options in images
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:41:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46BCBF73.5060406@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46BCB1DA.6060102-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>

Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> This is a big effort but a config file is the right long term solution.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> For which use case? management-full or management-less?
>>   
>
> Both.  A config file will be useful not just for expressing the 
> functionality we have today, but also for describing the guest's 
> environment in greater detail.  For instance, if you want to support a 
> bunch of different kinds of embedded systems, it would be very nice if 
> the machine description was a config file instead of hard coded such 
> that it was easy to tweak what hardware was present for the particular 
> embedded system.
>

Maybe I'm dense today.  Which use case is this?

>> A managed system will want to supply arguments out of a central 
>> database.  For a management-less use case, the config file is a hassle.
>>   
>
> As long as all options are still settable via command line (or stdio), 
> then it's not at all a hassle.
>

Yes.  But if you don't plan to use it, why implement it?

My feeling is that config files are outdated.  When used with a gui, you 
end up writing silly parsers and stuff and still wrecking things 
horribly when the the gui writer's expectations don't match reality.  
When used without a gui, they increase the amount of details one has to 
remember (where's that config file? I renamed my image, did I remember 
to update the config file?).  They also make upgrading more difficult.




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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] Re: Storing command line options in images
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:41:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46BCBF73.5060406@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46BCB1DA.6060102@codemonkey.ws>

Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> This is a big effort but a config file is the right long term solution.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> For which use case? management-full or management-less?
>>   
>
> Both.  A config file will be useful not just for expressing the 
> functionality we have today, but also for describing the guest's 
> environment in greater detail.  For instance, if you want to support a 
> bunch of different kinds of embedded systems, it would be very nice if 
> the machine description was a config file instead of hard coded such 
> that it was easy to tweak what hardware was present for the particular 
> embedded system.
>

Maybe I'm dense today.  Which use case is this?

>> A managed system will want to supply arguments out of a central 
>> database.  For a management-less use case, the config file is a hassle.
>>   
>
> As long as all options are still settable via command line (or stdio), 
> then it's not at all a hassle.
>

Yes.  But if you don't plan to use it, why implement it?

My feeling is that config files are outdated.  When used with a gui, you 
end up writing silly parsers and stuff and still wrecking things 
horribly when the the gui writer's expectations don't match reality.  
When used without a gui, they increase the amount of details one has to 
remember (where's that config file? I renamed my image, did I remember 
to update the config file?).  They also make upgrading more difficult.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-10 19:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-10  4:55 Storing command line options in images Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-10  4:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
     [not found] ` <59abf66e0708092155t2e3cd5o32f23c018bed65af-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 16:02   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-08-10 16:02     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <46BC8C18.6020108-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 17:14       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-10 17:14         ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <46BC9CDB.3080900-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 18:43           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-08-10 18:43             ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
     [not found]             ` <46BCB1DA.6060102-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 19:41               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-08-10 19:41                 ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <46BCBF73.5060406-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-10 20:11                   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-08-10 20:11                     ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <46BCC666.6050406-rdkfGonbjUSkNkDKm+mE6A@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-11  1:41                       ` Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-11  1:41                         ` [kvm-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
     [not found]                         ` <59abf66e0708101841i76e26a35vcbc8df14b21f1ac0-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-13  8:55                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-13  8:55                             ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <46C01C8D.3060304-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-13  9:19                               ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  9:19                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-13  9:27                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-13  9:27                                   ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-14 14:18                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Markus Hitter
2007-08-14 14:18                                   ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Markus Hitter
     [not found]                                   ` <F213D784-7927-4233-BD3E-57A808D31FE7-5aU9hSJ5JWgb1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 14:31                                     ` Laurent Vivier
2007-08-14 14:31                                       ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
     [not found]                                       ` <46C1BCAC.9030203-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 19:02                                         ` Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-14 19:02                                           ` [kvm-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
     [not found]                                           ` <59abf66e0708141202t4eaf009cs4596cc76a164e3de-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 20:07                                             ` Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-14 20:07                                               ` [kvm-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
     [not found]                                               ` <20070814200757.GA7685-eH4hzgmiRX8dwXzzRB9H2Q@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-14 20:46                                                 ` Christian MICHON
2007-08-14 20:46                                                   ` [kvm-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-13 19:39                         ` [kvm-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-13 19:39                           ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-13 22:21                           ` Philip Boulain
2007-08-13 22:27                             ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Jernej Simončič
2007-08-13 23:31                             ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Thiemo Seufer
2007-08-14 14:26                               ` Philip Boulain
     [not found]                           ` <20070813193927.GA21215-eH4hzgmiRX8dwXzzRB9H2Q@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-13 20:26                             ` Christian MICHON
2007-08-13 20:26                               ` [kvm-devel] " Christian MICHON
2007-08-14  3:17                             ` Anthony Liguori
2007-08-14  3:17                               ` [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-08-14  4:39                               ` Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-14  4:39                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Jorge Lucángeli Obes
2007-08-14  7:44                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2007-08-14  7:46                           ` [kvm-devel] " Laurent Vivier
2007-08-14  7:46                             ` [kvm-devel] [Qemu-devel] " Laurent Vivier
     [not found]                             ` <46C15DCE.1000205-6ktuUTfB/bM@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-15 21:26                               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-08-15 21:26                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Segher Boessenkool

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