From: Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
Tech Board Discuss
<Tech-board-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>,
ksummit-2007-discuss@thunk.org,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: [Ksummit-2007-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:08:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D553CB.9020107@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708281511590.17587@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Jes Sorensen wrote:
>
>> Right now it looks like we have a list of sane candidates up, which I
>> certainly would be willing to vote for. However, it would be a shame
>> that the credibility of the election is lost because of sticking to an
>> undemocratic voting procedure. A procedure which it in fact was stated
>> when the board was created last year, would be replaced this year.
>
> Democracy is an ideal that is not attainable. A representative democracy
> is usually the best you can get. So you need people that have some
> competence to contribute to the endeavor. And AFAICT we approximate that
> reasonably. Many of the people that were not subject to the git commit
> quota are experienced hands that are valuable because of their experience
> with Linux and the Summit.
Of course, total democracy is impractical and not attainable. However,
in this particular situation we have something that is far from perfect,
but which is also easy to improve significantly if there is willingness
to do so.
KS has been using the 'we can only fit in 50 people into our exclusive
club because we have to include all of our program committee and the
sold off seats so we can go collect money for a ridiculously huge
budget for usenix' argument for years.
I don't see why the TAB vote should lose it's credibility in order to
satisfy a demand from a few people to enjoy their feel of exclusivity,
in particular when it's so easy to fix.
Jes
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>,
Tech Board Discuss
<Tech-board-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andy Isaacson <adi@hexapodia.org>, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>,
ksummit-2007-discuss@thunk.org
Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] Re: [Ksummit-2007-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:08:59 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46D553CB.9020107@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708281511590.17587@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Jes Sorensen wrote:
>
>> Right now it looks like we have a list of sane candidates up, which I
>> certainly would be willing to vote for. However, it would be a shame
>> that the credibility of the election is lost because of sticking to an
>> undemocratic voting procedure. A procedure which it in fact was stated
>> when the board was created last year, would be replaced this year.
>
> Democracy is an ideal that is not attainable. A representative democracy
> is usually the best you can get. So you need people that have some
> competence to contribute to the endeavor. And AFAICT we approximate that
> reasonably. Many of the people that were not subject to the git commit
> quota are experienced hands that are valuable because of their experience
> with Linux and the Summit.
Of course, total democracy is impractical and not attainable. However,
in this particular situation we have something that is far from perfect,
but which is also easy to improve significantly if there is willingness
to do so.
KS has been using the 'we can only fit in 50 people into our exclusive
club because we have to include all of our program committee and the
sold off seats so we can go collect money for a ridiculously huge
budget for usenix' argument for years.
I don't see why the TAB vote should lose it's credibility in order to
satisfy a demand from a few people to enjoy their feel of exclusivity,
in particular when it's so easy to fix.
Jes
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-08-29 11:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-08-22 15:22 [Tech-board-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Elections James Bottomley
2007-08-22 15:22 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 20:56 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Scott Preece
2007-08-22 20:56 ` Scott Preece
2007-08-22 21:26 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2007-08-22 21:26 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 21:22 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Dave Jones
2007-08-22 21:22 ` Dave Jones
2007-08-22 21:33 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Chris Wright
2007-08-22 21:38 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-22 21:38 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-22 21:44 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 21:44 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 21:43 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 21:58 ` Dave Jones
2007-08-22 22:14 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-22 23:47 ` James Morris
2007-08-22 23:47 ` James Morris
2007-08-23 1:27 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-23 1:27 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-23 2:12 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-23 2:12 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-23 2:45 ` James Morris
2007-08-23 3:49 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-23 3:49 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-23 11:05 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-23 11:05 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-23 13:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-23 13:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-22 22:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-22 22:44 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-23 0:26 ` [Tech-board-discuss] Re: [Ksummit-2007-discuss] " Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-23 0:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-23 0:37 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Matt Mackall
2007-08-23 0:37 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-23 0:42 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-23 0:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-23 1:19 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Matt Mackall
2007-08-23 1:19 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-23 1:35 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2007-08-23 1:35 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-24 1:27 ` Andy Isaacson
2007-08-24 1:27 ` Andy Isaacson
2007-08-24 2:34 ` Josh Boyer
2007-08-24 2:34 ` Josh Boyer
2007-08-24 2:52 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-24 2:52 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-24 2:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 2:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 3:22 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-24 3:22 ` Matt Mackall
2007-08-24 15:57 ` Greg KH
2007-08-24 15:57 ` Greg KH
2007-08-24 16:10 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-24 16:10 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-24 18:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 18:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 23:48 ` Greg KH
2007-08-25 0:01 ` [Tech-board-discuss] Re: [Ksummit-2007-discuss] Re: LinuxFoundation " Luck, Tony
2007-08-25 0:01 ` Luck, Tony
2007-08-25 0:03 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-25 0:03 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-25 0:11 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-25 0:11 ` James Bottomley
2007-08-25 0:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-25 0:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-25 1:08 ` Dave Jones
2007-08-25 1:08 ` Dave Jones
2007-08-25 0:03 ` [Tech-board-discuss] Re: [Ksummit-2007-discuss] Re: Linux Foundation " Alan Cox
2007-08-25 0:03 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-27 10:01 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-27 10:01 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-27 12:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-27 12:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-27 12:12 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-27 12:12 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-27 15:05 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-27 15:05 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-08-29 2:18 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-29 2:18 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-29 2:18 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-29 2:18 ` Daniel Walker
2007-08-29 2:56 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-29 2:56 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-28 22:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28 22:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-29 11:08 ` Jes Sorensen [this message]
2007-08-29 11:08 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-29 17:58 ` Bdale Garbee
2007-08-29 17:58 ` Bdale Garbee
2007-08-24 4:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-24 4:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-24 11:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 11:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 12:13 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-24 12:13 ` Jes Sorensen
2007-08-24 13:08 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 13:08 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 10:45 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-24 10:45 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-28 22:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-28 22:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-29 3:04 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-29 3:04 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-29 3:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-29 3:38 ` Nick Piggin
2007-08-29 11:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-29 11:55 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-29 22:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-29 22:55 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-24 10:41 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-24 10:41 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-24 13:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 13:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-08-24 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-24 13:57 ` Alan Cox
2007-09-25 17:59 ` [Tech-board-discuss] Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board Election Results James Bottomley
2007-09-25 17:59 ` James Bottomley
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