Having individual receiver in To: field

Having individual receiver in To: field

[Daniel Albuschat]

Hello,

mlmmj is indeed joyful, thanks for that nice software.
Especially the very lightweight nature of it makes it fun and easy to use,
without a burden on heavy dependencies or anything.

Just one question: is it possible to have the individual receiver that the
e-mail is sent to (that is, each subscriber to the e-mail list, accordingly) in
the To: field?

Kind regards,

Daniel Albuschat

-- 
eat(this); // delicious suicide

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Christian Laursen]

"Daniel Albuschat" <d.albuschat@gmail.com> writes:

> Just one question: is it possible to have the individual receiver that the
> e-mail is sent to (that is, each subscriber to the e-mail list, accordingly) in
> the To: field?

Take a look at the "addtohdr" tunable.

-- 
Christian Laursen

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Neale Pickett]

"Daniel Albuschat" <d.albuschat@gmail.com> writes:

> Just one question: is it possible to have the individual receiver that
> the e-mail is sent to (that is, each subscriber to the e-mail list,
> accordingly) in the To: field?

That's not really how mail lists are supposed to work.  I don't think
mlmmj has a way to set this up.  Why do you want such a thing?

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Neale Pickett]

Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:

> That's not really how mail lists are supposed to work.  I don't think
> mlmmj has a way to set this up.  Why do you want such a thing?

Holy cow, I stand corrected, the "addtohdr" tunable does this.

Why would anybody want such a thing?

Neale

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Christian Laursen]

Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:

> Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:
>
>> That's not really how mail lists are supposed to work.  I don't think
>> mlmmj has a way to set this up.  Why do you want such a thing?
>
> Holy cow, I stand corrected, the "addtohdr" tunable does this.
>
> Why would anybody want such a thing?

It makes sense for newsletters and announce lists and that sort of
thing.

-- 
Christian Laursen

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Christian Laursen <xi@borderworlds.dk> [Sep 17. 2007 21:03]:
> > > That's not really how mail lists are supposed to work.  I don't think
> > > mlmmj has a way to set this up.  Why do you want such a thing?
> >
> > Holy cow, I stand corrected, the "addtohdr" tunable does this.
> >
> > Why would anybody want such a thing?
> 
> It makes sense for newsletters and announce lists and that sort of
> thing.

Indeed it does. One of the reasons Morten started being interested in
mlmmj to begin with, was for newsletter sending. And I actually like it,
allthough I agree with Neale it's not actually mailinglist domain.

One should however be aware that with To: header added, there's no way
to use VERP, since the body of each mail have to be different.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Raymond den Ouden]

Christian Laursen wrote:
> Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:
>
>   
>> Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:
>>
>>     
>>> That's not really how mail lists are supposed to work.  I don't think
>>> mlmmj has a way to set this up.  Why do you want such a thing?
>>>       
>> Holy cow, I stand corrected, the "addtohdr" tunable does this.
>>
>> Why would anybody want such a thing?
>>     
>
> It makes sense for newsletters and announce lists and that sort of
> thing.
>   
And not to forget. Hotmail tend to drop mails which does not have the 
receiver in one of the address headers in the spam box.
The sportclub I manage a few lists for had the problem that specifically 
hotmail users did not receive the mailinglist mails.

With using the addtohdr I managed to work around  this annoying hotmail 
"bug".

As a matter of fact, that was the main reason for me to move to mlmmj

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

On 18/09/2007, at 15.01, Raymond den Ouden wrote:

> And not to forget. Hotmail tend to drop mails which does not have  
> the receiver in one of the address headers in the spam box.
> The sportclub I manage a few lists for had the problem that  
> specifically hotmail users did not receive the mailinglist mails.
>
> With using the addtohdr I managed to work around  this annoying  
> hotmail "bug".
>
> As a matter of fact, that was the main reason for me to move to mlmmj

Don't forget to add To: to delheaders when using this, unless of  
course two To: headers is not a problem :)

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
  and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                  -- A. P. J.

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Raymond den Ouden]

but offcourse... in fact I Read The Fine Manual ;-)

Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:
>
> On 18/09/2007, at 15.01, Raymond den Ouden wrote:
>
>> And not to forget. Hotmail tend to drop mails which does not have the 
>> receiver in one of the address headers in the spam box.
>> The sportclub I manage a few lists for had the problem that 
>> specifically hotmail users did not receive the mailinglist mails.
>>
>> With using the addtohdr I managed to work around  this annoying 
>> hotmail "bug".
>>
>> As a matter of fact, that was the main reason for me to move to mlmmj
>
> Don't forget to add To: to delheaders when using this, unless of 
> course two To: headers is not a problem :)
>

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Thomas Goirand]

Raymond den Ouden wrote:
> Christian Laursen wrote:
>> Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:
>>> Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> writes:
>>>> That's not really how mail lists are supposed to work.  I don't think
>>>> mlmmj has a way to set this up.  Why do you want such a thing?
>>>>       
>>> Holy cow, I stand corrected, the "addtohdr" tunable does this.
>>>
>>> Why would anybody want such a thing?
>>>     
>>
>> It makes sense for newsletters and announce lists and that sort of
>> thing.
>>   
> And not to forget. Hotmail tend to drop mails which does not have the
> receiver in one of the address headers in the spam box.
> The sportclub I manage a few lists for had the problem that specifically
> hotmail users did not receive the mailinglist mails.
> 
> With using the addtohdr I managed to work around  this annoying hotmail
> "bug".
> 
> As a matter of fact, that was the main reason for me to move to mlmmj

We do VPS hosting. We also use this brilliant function to send email to
a list of users when there's a problem on one of our server. We don't
really want people to read "whateverusers@example.com", as it's not
meant to be used as a list. We also set the list as closed, and
moderated, so the people we send mail to can't send to the list.

This makes me think that I would have like a way that only certain
person (like the list owners or the moderators) could send to the
moderated list without the hassle of having to approve the messages. On
a busy mail server it can take some time until we receive the moderation
message. I don't really know how this could be implemented, but what I
thought about would be something like a password in the subject that
would be removed, for example (this is not very nice, but that's the
only thing I can think of). I know that the From: checking is not enough
as this could be faked. Does anybody has a better idea for that one?

Thomas Goirand, GPLHost CEO

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Neale Pickett]

Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr> writes:

> This makes me think that I would have like a way that only certain
> person (like the list owners or the moderators) could send to the
> moderated list without the hassle of having to approve the messages.

I set up a club newsletter like so:

    fozzie /var/spool/mlmmj/lann.members/control$ cat access 
    allow ^From: .*@la-nn.org
    deny
    fozzie /var/spool/mlmmj/lann.members/control$ 

I don't know if it actually prevents others from mailing the list :)

Neale

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Christian Laursen]

Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr> writes:

> This makes me think that I would have like a way that only certain
> person (like the list owners or the moderators) could send to the
> moderated list without the hassle of having to approve the messages. On
> a busy mail server it can take some time until we receive the moderation
> message. I don't really know how this could be implemented, but what I
> thought about would be something like a password in the subject that
> would be removed, for example (this is not very nice, but that's the
> only thing I can think of). I know that the From: checking is not enough
> as this could be faked. Does anybody has a better idea for that one?

Make an access file containing something like this:
allow ^Approved: yoursecretpasswordgoeshere
moderate

and add "Approved:" to delheaders.

Then it would just be a matter of including the correct
Approved-header and if not, the message would be sent to the
moderator(s).

-- 
Christian Laursen

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:24:19 -0600
Neale Pickett <neale@woozle.org> wrote:

> Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr> writes:
> 
> > This makes me think that I would have like a way that only certain
> > person (like the list owners or the moderators) could send to the
> > moderated list without the hassle of having to approve the messages.
> 
> I set up a club newsletter like so:
> 
>     fozzie /var/spool/mlmmj/lann.members/control$ cat access 
>     allow ^From: .*@la-nn.org
>     deny
>     fozzie /var/spool/mlmmj/lann.members/control$ 
> 
> I don't know if it actually prevents others from mailing the list :)
> 
> Neale
> 
> 

no, it does not prevent others from mailing: anybody can spoof the
address ..., but if you combine it with a confirmation mail, limit it
so only members can mail and drop all non-member mail, it's pretty
safe :)

Franky

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

On 18/09/2007, at 21.01, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> no, it does not prevent others from mailing: anybody can spoof the
> address ..., but if you combine it with a confirmation mail, limit it
> so only members can mail and drop all non-member mail, it's pretty
> safe :)

See the mail Christian sent about adding a passwd in a header file.  
That's pretty safe.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
  and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                  -- A. P. J.

Re: Having individual receiver in To: field

[Neale Pickett]

Mads Martin Joergensen <mmj@mmj.dk> writes:

> On 18/09/2007, at 21.01, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
>
>> no, it does not prevent others from mailing: anybody can spoof the
>> address ..., but if you combine it with a confirmation mail, limit it
>> so only members can mail and drop all non-member mail, it's pretty
>> safe :)
>
> See the mail Christian sent about adding a passwd in a header
> file. That's pretty safe.

I think if you have list members who are trying to spoof their from
address, you have other problems.  That said, Christian's suggestion is
better than mine, if your senders are savvy enough to add strange
headers in their outbound email.

Neale