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From: Tony Camuso <tcamuso@redhat.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Ivan Kokshaysky <ink@jurassic.park.msu.ru>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Martin Mares <mj@ucw.cz>, Loic Prylli <loic@myri.com>,
	Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>,
	"Chumbalkar, Nagananda" <Nagananda.Chumbalkar@hp.com>,
	"Schoeller, Patrick (Linux - Houston,
	TX)" <Patrick.Schoeller@hp.com>,
	Bhavana Nagendra <bnagendr@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:01:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478B5D0D.7060808@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080113210501.4584e4d2@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:29:23 -0500
> Tony Camuso <tcamuso@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> . There is no need to provide different PCI config access
>>    mechanisms at device granularity, since the PCI config access
>>    mechanism between the CPU and the Northbridge is opaque to
>>    the devices. PCI config mechanisms only need to differ at
>>    the Northbridge level.
> 
> This ignores the "lets make it not matter for the 99% of the users" case.

I don't understand. If we're going to differentiate MMCONFIG from some other
access mechanism, it only needs to be done at the Northbridge level. Devices
are electrically ignorant of the protocol used between CPU and Northbridge
to get the Northbridge to assert config cycles on the bus.

>> . If the system is capable of conf1, then PCI config access
>>    at offsets < 256 should be confined to conf1. This solution
>>    is most effective for existing and legacy systems.
> 
> not "conf1" but "what the platform thinks is the best method for < 256".
> 
> We have this nice abstraction for the platform to select the best method... we should use it.
> 
Agreed.

So we have Loic and Ivan's patch limiting MMCONFIG accesses to
offsets >= 256.

And we have Matthew's patch that abstracts the method for config
accesses to offsets < 256.

I beleive Matthew has already tested these patches for functionality
on x86. All that's needed is to test for regressions on other arches.

Is there any interest in providing the following?

1. The ability to use MMCONFIG for all accesses on systems that have
    no problems with MMCONFIG.

2. For systems using both PCI and PCI express, testing each bus
    for MMCONFIG compliance, to determine whether MMCONFIG can be
    used for all config accesses or whether the bus must be limited
    all to the method abstracted for offsets < 256.

Or does that introduce unnecessary complications?



  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-14 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-25 11:26 [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-27 11:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-27 14:09   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-27 17:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 19:02 ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:09   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 19:14     ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:28   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 19:40     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 19:45       ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:49         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 19:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 20:17             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 20:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 20:42                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 21:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 21:17                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 21:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 21:38                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 23:58                           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12  0:17                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-01-12  0:26                             ` Greg KH
2008-01-12 14:40                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 15:46                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-12 16:23                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 17:45                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-12 18:17                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-12 21:49                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 23:01                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  0:12                                       ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13  0:40                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  1:36                                           ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13  4:42                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  4:47                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  6:43                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-01-13 12:43                                               ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13 17:03                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13 21:28                                                   ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  0:54                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-14  1:33                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14  3:29                                                         ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  5:05                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 13:01                                                             ` Tony Camuso [this message]
2008-01-14 14:46                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 15:23                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14 16:01                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 16:08                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  9:11                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-14  5:20                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-13 18:23                                   ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13 18:41                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13 20:43                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13 21:18                                         ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13 20:51                                       ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13  7:08                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-01-13  7:24                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  7:58                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13 17:01                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 22:52                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-14 23:04                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-15 16:00                                           ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-15 17:46                                             ` Greg KH
2008-01-15 17:56                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-15 19:27                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-15 19:38                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-15 19:40                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-15 22:12                                                     ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-19 16:58                                                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-01-28 18:32                                                   ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-28 20:44                                                     ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 22:31                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-28 22:53                                                         ` Greg KH
2008-01-29  2:56                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29  2:57                                                             ` PCI x86: always use conf1 to access config space below 256 bytes Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29 13:21                                                               ` Greg KH
2008-01-29 23:43                                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30  0:04                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-29  3:03                                                             ` [PATCH] Change pci_raw_ops to pci_raw_read/write Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-03  7:30                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-07 15:54                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-02-07 16:28                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-07 16:36                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-02-08  2:28                                                                       ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-09 12:41                                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10  6:25                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10  7:21                                                                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-10 14:51                                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 19:13                                                                           ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-10 19:37                                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:16                                                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:19                                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:25                                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:32                                                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:47                                                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:24                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-10 20:45                                                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 23:02                                                                                 ` raw_pci_read in quirk_intel_irqbalance Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11  5:04                                                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11  7:49                                                                                     ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-11 16:15                                                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11 17:18                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-11 19:38                                                                                           ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-11  1:49                                                                                 ` [PATCH] Change pci_raw_ops to pci_raw_read/write Yinghai Lu
2008-02-11  2:53                                                                                   ` Robert Hancock
2008-02-11  5:59                                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-11 22:10                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-11 22:38                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-29  3:05                                                       ` [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29  3:18                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29 13:19                                                           ` Greg KH
2008-01-29 14:15                                                             ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 14:47                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29 15:15                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 15:29                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29 16:26                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 23:57                                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30  2:30                                                                       ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-30  3:45                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30 15:15                                                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-30 15:42                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-30 20:14                                                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-31  5:51                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-01-11 19:54   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 20:55     ` Greg KH
2008-01-15 12:58 ` Øyvind Vågen Jægtnes
     [not found] <fa.m7tRTz/ymu3iMyLTO2aF1Tvaw24@ifi.uio.no>
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2007-12-27 17:59     ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-27 19:47       ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]   ` <fa.H0fcNl3b6xVBwzWUgT72M4K6KOU@ifi.uio.no>
2007-12-27 18:15     ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-27 18:30       ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-27 18:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 21:10         ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-27 21:21           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-12-27 21:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 21:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 22:18               ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-28  4:27                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-12-28  5:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-28  6:07                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-12-28 10:34                       ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-28 16:14                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-28 16:38                           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-28 17:40                             ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28 21:12                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-13  6:01                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  7:19                                   ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28  5:31                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-27 21:59             ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-28  5:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  5:29             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  5:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-28  6:06                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28 19:14                   ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28 20:42                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  0:18         ` Robert Hancock
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2008-01-13  1:56           ` Robert Hancock
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2008-01-14 23:59             ` Robert Hancock

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