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From: Tony Camuso <tcamuso@redhat.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
	Grant Grundler <grundler@parisc-linux.org>,
	Loic Prylli <loic@myri.com>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Ivan Kokshaysky <ink@jurassic.park.msu.ru>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>,
	linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, Martin Mares <mj@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:15:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <479F4321.6030106@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080129064724.0f7e91e5@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:15:02 -0500
> Tony Camuso <tcamuso@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> Greg,
>>
>> The problem with Arjan's patch, if I understand it correctly, is that
>> it requires drivers to make a call to access extended PCI config
>> space.
>>
>> And, IIRC, Arjan's patch encumbers drivers for all arch's, even those
>> that have no MMCONFIG problems.
>>
>> The patches proposed by Loic, Ivan, Matthew, and myself, all address
>> the problem in an x86-specific manner that is transparent to the
>> drivers.
> 
> this is not quite correct; the patches from Loic, Ivan, Matthew and you are for a different
> problem statement.
> 
> Your patch problem statement is "need to fix mmconfig", my patch problem statement is "need
> to not make users who don't need it suffer". These are orthogonal problems.
> 
> 

Yes, but your patch also makes users who need extended PCI config space suffer.

Right now, that isn't a lot of people in x86 land, but your patch encumbers drivers
for non-x86 archs with an additional call to access space that they've never had
a problem with.

As more PCI express drivers start to take advantage of AER and other advanced
express capabilities, the extra call to address a condition specific to legacy
x86 hardware is, IMNSHO, a kludge.

The patches submitted by the others fix the problems with MMCONFIG without
encumbering the drivers to be aware of any difference between legacy config
space and extended config space.

I have tested these patches on a number of systems exhibiting various MMCONFIG-
related pathologies, and they work.





  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-29 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-25 11:26 [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-27 11:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-27 14:09   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-27 17:52   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 19:02 ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:09   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 19:14     ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:28   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 19:40     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 19:45       ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:49         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 19:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 20:17             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 20:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 20:42                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 21:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 21:17                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 21:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 21:38                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 23:58                           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12  0:17                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-01-12  0:26                             ` Greg KH
2008-01-12 14:40                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 15:46                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-12 16:23                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 17:45                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-12 18:17                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-12 21:49                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 23:01                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  0:12                                       ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13  0:40                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  1:36                                           ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13  4:42                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  4:47                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  6:43                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-01-13 12:43                                               ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13 17:03                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13 21:28                                                   ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  0:54                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-14  1:33                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14  3:29                                                         ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  5:05                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 13:01                                                             ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14 14:46                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 15:23                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14 16:01                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 16:08                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  9:11                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-14  5:20                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-13 18:23                                   ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13 18:41                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13 20:43                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13 21:18                                         ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13 20:51                                       ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13  7:08                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-01-13  7:24                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  7:58                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13 17:01                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 22:52                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-14 23:04                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-15 16:00                                           ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-15 17:46                                             ` Greg KH
2008-01-15 17:56                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-15 19:27                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-15 19:38                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-15 19:40                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-15 22:12                                                     ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-19 16:58                                                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-01-28 18:32                                                   ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-28 20:44                                                     ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 22:31                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-28 22:53                                                         ` Greg KH
2008-01-29  2:56                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29  2:57                                                             ` PCI x86: always use conf1 to access config space below 256 bytes Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29 13:21                                                               ` Greg KH
2008-01-29 23:43                                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30  0:04                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-29  3:03                                                             ` [PATCH] Change pci_raw_ops to pci_raw_read/write Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-03  7:30                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-07 15:54                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-02-07 16:28                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-07 16:36                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-02-08  2:28                                                                       ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-09 12:41                                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10  6:25                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10  7:21                                                                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-10 14:51                                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 19:13                                                                           ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-10 19:37                                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:16                                                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:19                                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:25                                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:32                                                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:47                                                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:24                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-10 20:45                                                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 23:02                                                                                 ` raw_pci_read in quirk_intel_irqbalance Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11  5:04                                                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11  7:49                                                                                     ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-11 16:15                                                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11 17:18                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-11 19:38                                                                                           ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-11  1:49                                                                                 ` [PATCH] Change pci_raw_ops to pci_raw_read/write Yinghai Lu
2008-02-11  2:53                                                                                   ` Robert Hancock
2008-02-11  5:59                                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-11 22:10                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-11 22:38                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-29  3:05                                                       ` [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29  3:18                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29 13:19                                                           ` Greg KH
2008-01-29 14:15                                                             ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 14:47                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29 15:15                                                                 ` Tony Camuso [this message]
2008-01-29 15:29                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29 16:26                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 23:57                                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30  2:30                                                                       ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-30  3:45                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30 15:15                                                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-30 15:42                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-30 20:14                                                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-31  5:51                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-01-11 19:54   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 20:55     ` Greg KH
2008-01-15 12:58 ` Øyvind Vågen Jægtnes
     [not found] <fa.m7tRTz/ymu3iMyLTO2aF1Tvaw24@ifi.uio.no>
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2007-12-27 17:59     ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-27 19:47       ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]   ` <fa.H0fcNl3b6xVBwzWUgT72M4K6KOU@ifi.uio.no>
2007-12-27 18:15     ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-27 18:30       ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-27 18:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 21:10         ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-27 21:21           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-12-27 21:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 21:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 22:18               ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-28  4:27                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-12-28  5:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-28  6:07                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-12-28 10:34                       ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-28 16:14                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-28 16:38                           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-28 17:40                             ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28 21:12                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-13  6:01                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  7:19                                   ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28  5:31                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-27 21:59             ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-28  5:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  5:29             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  5:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-28  6:06                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28 19:14                   ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28 20:42                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  0:18         ` Robert Hancock
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2008-01-13  1:56           ` Robert Hancock
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2008-01-14 23:59             ` Robert Hancock

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