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From: Izik Eidus <izike@qumranet.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>, Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	steiner@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, daniel.blueman@quadrics.com,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/4] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V1
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:10:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <479DFE7F.9030305@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080125114229.GA7454@v2.random>

Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 09:56:06PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>   
>> Andrea's mmu_notifier #4 -> RFC V1
>>
>> - Merge subsystem rmap based with Linux rmap based approach
>> - Move Linux rmap based notifiers out of macro
>> - Try to account for what locks are held while the notifiers are
>>   called.
>> - Develop a patch sequence that separates out the different types of
>>   hooks so that it is easier to review their use.
>> - Avoid adding #include to linux/mm_types.h
>> - Integrate RCU logic suggested by Peter.
>>     
>
> I'm glad you're converging on something a bit saner and much much
> closer to my code, plus perfectly usable by KVM optimal rmap design
> too. It would have preferred if you would have sent me patches like
> Peter did for review and merging etc... that would have made review
> especially easier. Anyway I'm used to that on lkml so it's ok, I just
> need this patch to be included in mainline, everything else is
> irrelevant to me.
>
> On a technical merit this still partially makes me sick and I think
> it's the last issue to debate.
>
> @@ -971,6 +974,9 @@ int try_to_unmap(struct page *page, int 
>         else
>                 ret = try_to_unmap_file(page, migration);
>
> +       if (unlikely(PageExternalRmap(page)))
> +               mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page);
> +
>         if (!page_mapped(page))
>                 ret = SWAP_SUCCESS;
>         return ret;
>
> I find the above hard to accept, because the moment you work with
> physical pages and not "mm+address" I think you couldn't possibly care
> if page_mapped is true or false, and I think the above notifier should
> be called _outside_ try_to_unmap. Infact I'd call
> mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page); only if page_unmapped is
> false and the linux pte is gone already (practically just before the
> page_count == 2 check and after try_to_unmap).
>   

i dont understand how is that better than notification on tlb flush?
i mean cpus have very smiler problem as we do,
so why not deal with the notification at the same place as they do (tlb 
flush) ?

moreover notification on tlb flush allow unmodified applications to work 
with us
for example the memory merging driver that i wrote was able to work with kvm
without any change to its source code.

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From: Izik Eidus <izike-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra
	<a.p.zijlstra-/NLkJaSkS4VmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt
	<benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	steiner-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	daniel.blueman-xqY44rlHlBpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	Robin Holt <holt-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh-DTz5qymZ9yRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/4] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V1
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:10:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <479DFE7F.9030305@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080125114229.GA7454-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 09:56:06PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>   
>> Andrea's mmu_notifier #4 -> RFC V1
>>
>> - Merge subsystem rmap based with Linux rmap based approach
>> - Move Linux rmap based notifiers out of macro
>> - Try to account for what locks are held while the notifiers are
>>   called.
>> - Develop a patch sequence that separates out the different types of
>>   hooks so that it is easier to review their use.
>> - Avoid adding #include to linux/mm_types.h
>> - Integrate RCU logic suggested by Peter.
>>     
>
> I'm glad you're converging on something a bit saner and much much
> closer to my code, plus perfectly usable by KVM optimal rmap design
> too. It would have preferred if you would have sent me patches like
> Peter did for review and merging etc... that would have made review
> especially easier. Anyway I'm used to that on lkml so it's ok, I just
> need this patch to be included in mainline, everything else is
> irrelevant to me.
>
> On a technical merit this still partially makes me sick and I think
> it's the last issue to debate.
>
> @@ -971,6 +974,9 @@ int try_to_unmap(struct page *page, int 
>         else
>                 ret = try_to_unmap_file(page, migration);
>
> +       if (unlikely(PageExternalRmap(page)))
> +               mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page);
> +
>         if (!page_mapped(page))
>                 ret = SWAP_SUCCESS;
>         return ret;
>
> I find the above hard to accept, because the moment you work with
> physical pages and not "mm+address" I think you couldn't possibly care
> if page_mapped is true or false, and I think the above notifier should
> be called _outside_ try_to_unmap. Infact I'd call
> mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page); only if page_unmapped is
> false and the linux pte is gone already (practically just before the
> page_count == 2 check and after try_to_unmap).
>   

i dont understand how is that better than notification on tlb flush?
i mean cpus have very smiler problem as we do,
so why not deal with the notification at the same place as they do (tlb 
flush) ?

moreover notification on tlb flush allow unmodified applications to work 
with us
for example the memory merging driver that i wrote was able to work with kvm
without any change to its source code.

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From: Izik Eidus <izike@qumranet.com>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@qumranet.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>, Robin Holt <holt@sgi.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	steiner@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, daniel.blueman@quadrics.com,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/4] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V1
Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:10:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <479DFE7F.9030305@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080125114229.GA7454@v2.random>

Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 09:56:06PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
>   
>> Andrea's mmu_notifier #4 -> RFC V1
>>
>> - Merge subsystem rmap based with Linux rmap based approach
>> - Move Linux rmap based notifiers out of macro
>> - Try to account for what locks are held while the notifiers are
>>   called.
>> - Develop a patch sequence that separates out the different types of
>>   hooks so that it is easier to review their use.
>> - Avoid adding #include to linux/mm_types.h
>> - Integrate RCU logic suggested by Peter.
>>     
>
> I'm glad you're converging on something a bit saner and much much
> closer to my code, plus perfectly usable by KVM optimal rmap design
> too. It would have preferred if you would have sent me patches like
> Peter did for review and merging etc... that would have made review
> especially easier. Anyway I'm used to that on lkml so it's ok, I just
> need this patch to be included in mainline, everything else is
> irrelevant to me.
>
> On a technical merit this still partially makes me sick and I think
> it's the last issue to debate.
>
> @@ -971,6 +974,9 @@ int try_to_unmap(struct page *page, int 
>         else
>                 ret = try_to_unmap_file(page, migration);
>
> +       if (unlikely(PageExternalRmap(page)))
> +               mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page);
> +
>         if (!page_mapped(page))
>                 ret = SWAP_SUCCESS;
>         return ret;
>
> I find the above hard to accept, because the moment you work with
> physical pages and not "mm+address" I think you couldn't possibly care
> if page_mapped is true or false, and I think the above notifier should
> be called _outside_ try_to_unmap. Infact I'd call
> mmu_rmap_notifier(invalidate_page, page); only if page_unmapped is
> false and the linux pte is gone already (practically just before the
> page_count == 2 check and after try_to_unmap).
>   

i dont understand how is that better than notification on tlb flush?
i mean cpus have very smiler problem as we do,
so why not deal with the notification at the same place as they do (tlb 
flush) ?

moreover notification on tlb flush allow unmodified applications to work 
with us
for example the memory merging driver that i wrote was able to work with kvm
without any change to its source code.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-28 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-25  5:56 [patch 0/4] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V1 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56 ` [patch 1/4] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 18:39   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 18:39     ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 18:39     ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 18:47     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 18:47       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 18:47       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 18:56       ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 18:56         ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 19:03         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 19:03           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 19:03           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 19:35           ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 19:35             ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 19:35             ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 20:10             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 20:10               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 20:10               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-26 11:56               ` Robin Holt
2008-01-26 11:56                 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-26 11:56                 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-28 18:51                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 18:51                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 21:18             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 21:18               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 21:18               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-26 12:01               ` Robin Holt
2008-01-26 12:01                 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-26 12:01                 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-28 18:44                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 18:44                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 18:44                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56 ` [patch 2/4] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56 ` [patch 3/4] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks for subsystems with rmap Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56 ` [patch 4/4] MMU notifier: invalidate_page callbacks using Linux rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25  5:56   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 11:42 ` [patch 0/4] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V1 Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-25 11:42   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-25 12:43   ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 12:43     ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 12:43     ` Robin Holt
2008-01-25 18:31   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 18:31     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 18:31     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 21:18   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-01-25 21:18     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-01-25 21:18     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-01-25 21:25     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 21:25       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-25 21:25       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 16:10   ` Izik Eidus [this message]
2008-01-28 16:10     ` Izik Eidus
2008-01-28 16:10     ` Izik Eidus
2008-01-28 17:25     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-28 17:25       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-28 19:04       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 19:04         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 19:40         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-28 19:40           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-28 19:40           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-28 20:16           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:16             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:16             ` Christoph Lameter

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