From: Derek M Jones <derek@knosof.co.uk>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Harvey Harrison
<harvey.harrison-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Christopher Li <sparse-55XgFHCVCFZAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
Julia Lawall <julia-dAYI7NvHqcQ@public.gmane.org>,
yi.zhu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
ipw3945-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
kernel-janitors-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Alexander Viro <viro-rfM+Q5joDG/XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
linux-sparse-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Josh Triplett <josh-CC+yJ3UmIYqDUpFQwHEjaQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:13:28 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47CE8E68.5060701@knosof.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080305081904.GA17789-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
All,
>>> i think there might be similar patterns: "x & !y", "!x | y", "x | !y" ?
>>>
>> Well, (!x & y) and (!x | y) are probably the two that might have been
>> intended otherwise. (x & !y), (x | !y) are probably ok.
>
> i think the proper intention in the latter cases is (x & ~y) and
> (x | ~y).
>
> My strong bet is that in 99% of the cases they are real bugs and && or
> || was intended.
Developer knowledge of operator precedence and the issue of what
they intended to write are interesting topics. Some experimental
work is described in (binary operators only I'm afraid):
www.knosof.co.uk/cbook/accu06a.pdf
www.knosof.co.uk/cbook/accu07a.pdf
The ACCU 2006 experiment provides evidence that developer knowledge
is proportional to the number of occurrences of a construct in
source code, it also shows a stunningly high percentage of incorrect
answers.
The ACCU 2007 experiment provides evidence that the names of the
operands has a significant impact on operator precedence choice.
I wonder what kind of names are used as the operand of unary
operators?
I would expect the ~ operator to have a bitwise name, but the
! operator might have an arithmetic or bitwise name.
--
Derek M. Jones tel: +44 (0) 1252 520 667
Knowledge Software Ltd mailto:derek@knosof.co.uk
Applications Standards Conformance Testing http://www.knosof.co.uk
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From: Derek M Jones <derek-Qjv84pu2YCLQXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Harvey Harrison
<harvey.harrison-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Christopher Li <sparse-55XgFHCVCFZAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
Julia Lawall <julia-dAYI7NvHqcQ@public.gmane.org>,
yi.zhu-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
linux-wireless-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
ipw3945-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
kernel-janitors-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Alexander Viro <viro-rfM+Q5joDG/XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
linux-sparse-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Josh Triplett <josh-CC+yJ3UmIYqDUpFQwHEjaQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and &
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:13:28 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47CE8E68.5060701@knosof.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080305081904.GA17789-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
All,
>>> i think there might be similar patterns: "x & !y", "!x | y", "x | !y" ?
>>>
>> Well, (!x & y) and (!x | y) are probably the two that might have been
>> intended otherwise. (x & !y), (x | !y) are probably ok.
>
> i think the proper intention in the latter cases is (x & ~y) and
> (x | ~y).
>
> My strong bet is that in 99% of the cases they are real bugs and && or
> || was intended.
Developer knowledge of operator precedence and the issue of what
they intended to write are interesting topics. Some experimental
work is described in (binary operators only I'm afraid):
www.knosof.co.uk/cbook/accu06a.pdf
www.knosof.co.uk/cbook/accu07a.pdf
The ACCU 2006 experiment provides evidence that developer knowledge
is proportional to the number of occurrences of a construct in
source code, it also shows a stunningly high percentage of incorrect
answers.
The ACCU 2007 experiment provides evidence that the names of the
operands has a significant impact on operator precedence choice.
I wonder what kind of names are used as the operand of unary
operators?
I would expect the ~ operator to have a bitwise name, but the
! operator might have an arithmetic or bitwise name.
--
Derek M. Jones tel: +44 (0) 1252 520 667
Knowledge Software Ltd mailto:derek-Qjv84pu2YCLQXOPxS62xeg@public.gmane.org
Applications Standards Conformance Testing http://www.knosof.co.uk
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From: Derek M Jones <derek@knosof.co.uk>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Harvey Harrison <harvey.harrison@gmail.com>,
Christopher Li <sparse@chrisli.org>, Julia Lawall <julia@diku.dk>,
yi.zhu@intel.com, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
linux-sparse@vger.kernel.org,
Josh Triplett <josh@freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and &
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:13:28 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47CE8E68.5060701@knosof.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080305081904.GA17789@elte.hu>
All,
>>> i think there might be similar patterns: "x & !y", "!x | y", "x | !y" ?
>>>
>> Well, (!x & y) and (!x | y) are probably the two that might have been
>> intended otherwise. (x & !y), (x | !y) are probably ok.
>
> i think the proper intention in the latter cases is (x & ~y) and
> (x | ~y).
>
> My strong bet is that in 99% of the cases they are real bugs and && or
> || was intended.
Developer knowledge of operator precedence and the issue of what
they intended to write are interesting topics. Some experimental
work is described in (binary operators only I'm afraid):
www.knosof.co.uk/cbook/accu06a.pdf
www.knosof.co.uk/cbook/accu07a.pdf
The ACCU 2006 experiment provides evidence that developer knowledge
is proportional to the number of occurrences of a construct in
source code, it also shows a stunningly high percentage of incorrect
answers.
The ACCU 2007 experiment provides evidence that the names of the
operands has a significant impact on operator precedence choice.
I wonder what kind of names are used as the operand of unary
operators?
I would expect the ~ operator to have a bitwise name, but the
! operator might have an arithmetic or bitwise name.
--
Derek M. Jones tel: +44 (0) 1252 520 667
Knowledge Software Ltd mailto:derek@knosof.co.uk
Applications Standards Conformance Testing http://www.knosof.co.uk
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-03-05 12:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-02-26 20:44 [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of Julia Lawall
2008-02-26 20:44 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Julia Lawall
2008-02-26 22:47 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of.and & Tomas Winkler
2008-02-26 22:47 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Tomas Winkler
2008-02-27 0:59 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct John W. Linville
2008-02-27 0:59 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & John W. Linville
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802262143570.18200-QfmoRoYWmW9knbxzx/v8hQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-05 6:38 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 6:38 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 6:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 6:49 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of.and & Christopher Li
2008-03-05 6:49 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Christopher Li
2008-03-05 7:02 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 7:02 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080305070201.GA32434-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-05 7:09 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Harvey Harrison
2008-03-05 7:09 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Harvey Harrison
2008-03-05 7:09 ` Harvey Harrison
2008-03-05 8:19 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 8:19 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080305081904.GA17789-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-05 12:13 ` Derek M Jones [this message]
2008-03-05 12:13 ` Derek M Jones
2008-03-05 12:13 ` Derek M Jones
2008-03-05 8:55 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Julia Lawall
2008-03-05 8:55 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Julia Lawall
2008-03-05 8:55 ` Julia Lawall
2008-03-05 12:20 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 12:20 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <20080305122010.GA999-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-05 12:30 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of.and & Bart Van Assche
2008-03-05 12:30 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Bart Van Assche
2008-03-05 12:30 ` Bart Van Assche
[not found] ` <e2e108260803050430o317d3e0dyed50e86cc4569746-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-05 12:36 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 12:36 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 12:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-05 12:35 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct Julia Lawall
2008-03-05 12:35 ` [PATCH 6/9] drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl-4965.c: Correct use of ! and & Julia Lawall
2008-03-05 12:35 ` Julia Lawall
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