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From: Ric Wheeler <ric@emc.com>
To: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Lord <liml@rtr.ca>,
	jeff@garzik.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: improve FLUSH error handling
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:53:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47ED0681.4090003@emc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47ED061F.2070701@gmail.com>

Tejun Heo wrote:
> Ric Wheeler wrote:
>> I think that is a really important knob to have. Not just for RAID
>> systems, but we use the FLUSH_CACHE on systems without barriers mainly
>> when we power down & do the unmounts, etc.
>>
>> If you hit a bad block during power down of a laptop, I can image that
>> have a worst case of (30?) seconds is infinitely better than multiple
>> minutes ;-)
> 
> Fully finishing FLUSH CACHE requires command repetition.  Not fully
> finishing FLUSH CACHE on shutdown means sure data loss.  Given that
> FLUSH CACHE failure is very rare and it's repeatedly retried if and only
> if the device actively indicates failure, I'm not too sure.  Also note
> that if FLUSH CACHE fails, you cannot even trust the FS journal.  Things
> can get silently corrupt.
> 

I do agree with the above, we should try to get the FLUSH done according 
to spec, I meant to argue that we should bound the time spent. If my 
laptop spends more than 30? 60? 120? seconds trying to flush a write 
cache, I will probably be looking for a way to force it to power down ;-)

It is also worth noting that most users of ext3 run without barriers 
enabled (and the drive write cache enabled) which means that we test 
this corruption path on any non-UPS power failure.

ric


  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-28 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-27 10:14 [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: improve FLUSH error handling Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 1/4] libata: make ata_tf_to_lba[48]() generic Tejun Heo
2008-04-04  7:45   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 2/4] libata: implement ATA_QCFLAG_RETRY Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 3/4] libata: kill unused ata_flush_cache() Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 10:14 ` [PATCH 4/4] libata: improve FLUSH error handling Tejun Heo
2008-04-04  7:46   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 10:23 ` Debug patch to induce errors on FLUSH Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 14:24 ` [PATCHSET #upstream] libata: improve FLUSH error handling Mark Lord
2008-03-27 14:35   ` Mark Lord
2008-03-27 15:31     ` Alan Cox
2008-03-27 18:01     ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28  1:57     ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28  2:33       ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 13:36         ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28 14:52           ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28 14:53             ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2008-03-28 15:16               ` Alan Cox
2008-03-28 16:57                 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28 16:04             ` Mark Lord
2008-03-27 17:53   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-27 18:52     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 20:23       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-28  7:46   ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-28  8:30     ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28  8:48       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-28  8:53         ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-27 17:51 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-03-27 18:53   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-03-27 22:00   ` Alan Cox
2008-03-28  2:02   ` Tejun Heo
2008-03-28  9:48     ` Alan Cox

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