From: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
To: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@yandex.ru>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@nokia.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Adrian Hunter <ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:33:08 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47F1E534.7050803@cs.helsinki.fi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47F1D44A.8010908@yandex.ru>
Hi Artem,
Artem Bityutskiy wrote:
> Well, I do not see a big reason not to get rid of this harmless stuff.
> Many kernel subsystems have their debugging, why not? Using BUG_ON() is
> OK in few most important places. But we want to have more assertions
> which are compiled-out by default, why can't we?. Similar is for prints.
Why would you want to have assertions that are compiled out by default?
Either you handle the error or don't (and have an assertion). The reason
some subsystems have had their own asserts is because they go overboard
with defensive checks as they haven't bothered to think through a
reasonable error handling strategy. The downside? It clutters the code
and causes the (compiled out) assertions to bit-rot.
Note that they're also a total pain in the ass to enable for anyone not
intimately familiar with your code. Not to mention you're now making the
lives of those crazy embedded folks that disable CONFIG_BUG for smaller
kernel size harder as well.
Do you know why we don't have compiled out asserts in the core kernel?
That's because it simply can't just roll-over and die if something
unexpected happens and your filesystem shouldn't probably do that
either. Sure, if you have some debugging checks that are way too
expensive for production use, you might want to have a
CONFIG_UBIFS_DEBUG but that shouldn't happen at assertion level but
rather at much higher level.
And btw, for optional printks, we have a lot of tracing infrastructure
in the kernel already (kprobes, relayfs, ftrace probably soon), so if
you want to have tracing for UBIFS (you probably don't), don't invent
your mechanism. But for most printks, they're either useful or they're
not. Again, I do see the potential need for CONFIG_UBIFS_DEBUG here, but
doing that at printk-level is also too low-level.
Pekka
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-01 7:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-27 14:55 [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 01/26] VFS: introduce writeback_inodes_sb() Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 02/26] UBIFS: add I/O sub-system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 03/26] UBIFS: add flash scanning Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 04/26] UBIFS: add journal replay Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-28 10:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-28 11:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 06/26] UBIFS: add superblock and master node Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 07/26] UBIFS: add file-system recovery Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 08/26] UBIFS: add compression support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 09/26] UBIFS: add key helpers Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 10/26] UBIFS: add the journal Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 11/26] UBIFS: add commit functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 12/26] UBIFS: add TNC implementation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 13/26] UBIFS: add TNC commit implementation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 14/26] UBIFS: add TNC shrinker Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 15/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 16/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties tree Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 17/26] " Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 18/26] UBIFS: add LEB find subsystem Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 19/26] UBIFS: add Garbage Collector Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 2:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 13:36 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-27 13:42 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 12:08 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 12:42 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 13:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 14:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 15:14 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 21/26] UBIFS: add budgeting Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 22/26] UBIFS: add extended attribute support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 23/26] UBIFS: add orphans handling sub-system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 24/26] UBIFS: add header files Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 21:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 6:20 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 7:33 ` Pekka Enberg [this message]
2008-04-01 8:32 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 9:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 8:34 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-01 7:43 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 7:39 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:15 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 9:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:04 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 10:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 11:56 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-26 9:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 7:10 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 9:03 ` ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-30 7:04 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-26 9:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 7:09 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 9:00 ` ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 11:23 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 11:39 ` ext ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 12:25 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 13:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-27 16:20 ` [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Josh Boyer
2008-03-28 6:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-28 6:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 12:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-31 12:47 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-31 13:20 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 14:00 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 17:17 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 20:49 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-31 21:21 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 6:00 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:26 ` UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:28 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:56 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:25 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:39 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:51 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:19 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:46 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:16 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 21:01 ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-04-03 7:07 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-18 9:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
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