From: Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@nokia.com>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@yandex.ru>,
Adrian Hunter <ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com>,
Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
joern@lazybastard.org
Subject: Re: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:17:04 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47F219B0.6020109@nokia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080401105104.GE7465@logfs.org>
Jörn Engel wrote:
> Fair enough.
>
> The obvious downside of all this is depending on UBI, which has a linear
> scan. My goal was to avoid the linear scan completely. It is a harder
> goal and I haven't reached it yet. Imo it is reachable and I will
> continue going in that direction.
Yes, it was our core design decision. One of the reasons, we were not sure
this is technically possible to do on bare flashes. I mean, it just looked
so complex to have all in one, so we figured that was a good split, where
you can cut on big work on two smaller separate ones. The benefit of this
is obvious - we have created a complete system, which is not perfect though
and have scalability issues.
Our point is that UBI is scalable enough for the time being.
I wrote some documentation about this in UBI FAQ and UBIFS FAQ:
http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_scalability
We can now improve scalability of UBI without affecting UBIFS - it has some
potential. And we may develop UBI2 which would be more much more scalable,
but this is a big project and we are not planning to do this so far. Others
could do.
So in other words, using UBI allowed us to get a finished system faster. I
meets our's and many other people's requirements, although it has issues if
you try to use it on really huge flashes, like 64GiB. That's a drawback.
But the good thing is that this would require re-working UBI layer, without
complete re-working of UBIFS.
> You picked the route of using UBI, which makes a lot of stuff easier.
> It is a fair approach and I don't mind you taking it. It has drawbacks,
> but so has everything else.
Agree.
--
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-01 11:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-27 14:55 [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 01/26] VFS: introduce writeback_inodes_sb() Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 02/26] UBIFS: add I/O sub-system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 03/26] UBIFS: add flash scanning Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 04/26] UBIFS: add journal replay Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-28 10:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-28 11:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 06/26] UBIFS: add superblock and master node Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 07/26] UBIFS: add file-system recovery Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 08/26] UBIFS: add compression support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 09/26] UBIFS: add key helpers Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 10/26] UBIFS: add the journal Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 11/26] UBIFS: add commit functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 12/26] UBIFS: add TNC implementation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 13/26] UBIFS: add TNC commit implementation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 14/26] UBIFS: add TNC shrinker Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 15/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 16/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties tree Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 17/26] " Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 18/26] UBIFS: add LEB find subsystem Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 19/26] UBIFS: add Garbage Collector Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 2:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 13:36 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-27 13:42 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 12:08 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 12:42 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 13:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 14:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 15:14 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 21/26] UBIFS: add budgeting Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 22/26] UBIFS: add extended attribute support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 23/26] UBIFS: add orphans handling sub-system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 24/26] UBIFS: add header files Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 21:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 6:20 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 7:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 8:32 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 9:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 8:34 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-01 7:43 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 7:39 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:15 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 9:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:04 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 10:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 11:56 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-26 9:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 7:10 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 9:03 ` ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-30 7:04 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-26 9:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 7:09 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 9:00 ` ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 11:23 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 11:39 ` ext ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 12:25 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 13:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-27 16:20 ` [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Josh Boyer
2008-03-28 6:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-28 6:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 12:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-31 12:47 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-31 13:20 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 14:00 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 17:17 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 20:49 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-31 21:21 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 6:00 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:26 ` UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:28 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:56 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:25 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:39 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:51 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2008-04-01 9:19 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:46 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:16 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 21:01 ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-04-03 7:07 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-18 9:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-01 8:02 UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01 8:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:03 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:31 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:39 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01 9:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02 14:17 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-02 14:22 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:06 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-01 11:23 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 16:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-01 21:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02 4:47 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02 6:25 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02 7:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-09 21:09 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-09 21:32 ` Jörn Engel
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