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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@yandex.ru>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"Tomasz Chmielewski" <mangoo@wpkg.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>,
	ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com, jwboyer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 07:47:25 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47F30FDD.5080003@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080401212652.GD23796@1wt.eu>

Willy Tarreau wrote:
>> Well, even auto-levelling storage should benefit from a filesystem which 
>> minimizes the total number of flash sectors churned, which means doing 
>> as few writes as possible and to large, contiguous sections.
> 
> Exactly. At exosec, we ship one appliance which writes statistics to a
> partition on a compactflash every 5 minutes. We preferred to go with JFFS2
> exactly because of this reason. We never had any problem proceeding this way.
> I'm not sure if it would have been the same with ext2 though.
>

Yes, as I agreed in a previous mail this may make sense in some cases.

But in general it is not a good approach. Basically, it is wastage of resources.
Indeed, first the firmware on MMC/SD/etc makes efforts to make flash look
like a block device. It gives you in-place updates, but by cost of performance
and reliability. Then you just drop this nice property, and use JFFS2, which
assumes it has only out-of-place updates. But if this solves the task you have
- fine!

-- 
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-02  4:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-01  8:02 UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01  8:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:03   ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:09     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:31       ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:39   ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01  9:57     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02 14:17       ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-02 14:22         ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:06   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-01 11:23     ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 16:27       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-01 21:26         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02  4:47           ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2008-04-02  6:25             ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02  7:17               ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-09 21:09 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-09 21:32   ` Jörn Engel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-03-27 14:55 [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 12:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-31 12:47   ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-31 13:20     ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  5:26       ` UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  5:28         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  5:56         ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:25           ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:39             ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:51               ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:17                 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01  9:19         ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01  9:46           ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:16             ` Jörn Engel

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