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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>, Yinghai Lu <yhlu.kernel@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: introduce a new Linux defined feature flag for PAT support
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:39:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <482302A3.3010405@firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4822F4A1.2030602@keyaccess.nl>

Rene Herman wrote:
> On 08-05-08 12:19, Andi Kleen wrote:
> 
>>> Use a new Linux defined X86_FEATURE_PAT_GOOD feature flag to
>>
>> Better would be PAT_TESTED or PAT_RANDOMLY_APPROVED. Most of these
>> CPUs without PAT_GOOD have actually perfectly good PAT, as Windows
>> proves every day.
>>
>> The main flaw in all of this of course is that there is no procedure
>> to test CPUs which do not have the flag set yet.
> 
> Quite. And hiding the fact that the CPU _should_ have perfectly good
> PAT doesn't help any at all. The discussion turned into a mini-flame
> war enough that now noone would even consider backing down, but this
> current PAT setup just sucks plain and simple.

For old CPUs it is actually ok (after all they worked for years without
PAT), I just don't like it for new CPUs. It's a bad idea there and
in the x86 world it is a reasonable expectation that CPU features
generally work.

That said I am not aware of that many PAT erratas even on old CPUs.
There are a few, but they are known and well understood and could
well be black listed.

-Andi


  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-08 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-07  1:48 2.6.26, PAT and AMD family 6 Rene Herman
2008-05-07  2:39 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 12:46   ` Undocumented and duplicated code Adrian Bunk
2008-05-07 13:14     ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 20:52     ` 2.6.26, PAT and AMD family 6 Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-07 20:59       ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 21:10       ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 21:41         ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-07 21:46           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-07 22:08             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-07 22:29               ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 22:04           ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 22:23             ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 22:31           ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 22:57         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08  0:02           ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08  0:03             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08  0:10               ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08  0:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08  0:28                   ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08  1:57                     ` [PATCH] x86: introduce a new Linux defined feature flag for PAT support Rene Herman
2008-05-08  1:58                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08  2:11                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08  2:17                           ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08  2:24                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08  2:28                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08 12:49                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-08 13:08                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-08 16:44                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08 13:11                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-08 13:33                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-08 14:44                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08 14:53                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-08 16:48                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08 16:53                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08  2:04                       ` [PATCH] x86: enable PAT support on AMD Duron model 7 Rene Herman
2008-05-08  2:08                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-08  2:12                           ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08 10:19                       ` [PATCH] x86: introduce a new Linux defined feature flag for PAT support Andi Kleen
2008-05-08 12:40                         ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08 13:39                           ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-05-08 15:32                             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-08 16:51                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08  0:21                 ` 2.6.26, PAT and AMD family 6 Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-08  0:30                   ` Rene Herman
2008-05-08  0:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-08  0:31                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-08 10:14                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-08 16:43                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-07 21:23       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-07 21:54         ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-07 22:09           ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-07 22:14           ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 22:22             ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 22:37               ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 22:40                 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 23:02                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 23:02                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-07 23:10                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 23:46                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-07 22:23             ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 22:39               ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 22:45                 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 23:06                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-07 23:01               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-07 22:26             ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 22:30               ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 22:58             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-05-07 13:00   ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 13:42     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-07 14:09       ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 14:24         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-07 19:08           ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 22:17             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-07 19:39     ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-05-07 20:06       ` Rene Herman
2008-05-07 20:16         ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-07 20:18           ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-08  4:06             ` H. Peter Anvin

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