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From: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>
Cc: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:05:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <485FF408.9030402@am.sony.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080623174537.GB4756@cs181140183.pp.htv.fi>

Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 07:28:09PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>> Had it been a requirement, keeping it in shape wouldn't be
>> too difficult.
>>
>> Sure enough, _now_ fixing kernel to pass such a test on i386
>> would take several weeks of work at least. But it is doable.
>> ...
> 
> On i386 it might even already work today.
> 
> But guess how much time it costs to get at least all defconfigs 
> compiling on the other 22 architectures.
> 
> Even getting allmodconfig/allyesconfig compiling isn't trivial for all 
> architectures, and random configurations are _far_ from compiling.
> 
> And we are not talking about something to be done once, as soon as you 
> leave x86 there are tons of regular breakages.
> 
> Plus the fact that you often get into situations where more options
> mean complex and fragile stuff. Read the Kconfig files under 
> drivers/media/ and check in git all commits to them since 2.6.25 alone, 
> and you'll understand why "add an option for every bit" can result in
> very high ongoing maintainance work required.
> 
> Not everything that is technically possible is also maintainable, and 
> maintainability is a very important point in a project with several 
> million lines changing each year.

OK sure.  Nobody's going to disagree with that.  I would, however,
disagree with a characterization of Linux-tiny as "adding an option
for every bit".  Linux-tiny has been around about 5 years now, and
if you added the whole thing right now you'd add about 30 config
options.

If you're worried about this multiplying out of control, let me
just say that having to curtail the rate of patch submission by
embedded developers has not been our biggest problem.  :-)
 -- Tim

=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Corporation of America
=============================

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-23 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-30 17:42 [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list David Woodhouse
2008-04-30 17:44 ` [PATCH 1/1] " David Woodhouse
2008-05-01  9:55   ` Bart Van Assche
2008-05-01 10:05     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-01 11:12       ` Bart Van Assche
2008-04-30 18:22 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Andi Kleen
2008-04-30 19:11   ` David Woodhouse
     [not found]     ` <1209582709.25560.441.camel-ZP4jZrcIevRpWr+L1FloEB2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2008-05-28 21:52       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-09 21:27         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-10  3:53           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  4:30             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  6:55               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10  7:54                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-10  9:09                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 13:12                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 13:25                       ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:33                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 13:47                           ` Will Newton
2008-06-10 13:53                             ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-10 14:00                               ` Grant Likely
2008-06-10 14:01                             ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 14:29                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-11  5:34                             ` Rob Landley
2008-06-10 13:49                         ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-11  5:25                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:18                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:55                               ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 20:55                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-15 21:48                               ` Rob Landley
2008-06-17 14:11                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-10 13:47                       ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-10 10:20                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-10 10:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-10 10:50                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-11  5:28                       ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-10 17:36                   ` Tim Bird
2008-06-11  3:35                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-11  5:47                     ` Greg Ungerer
2008-06-12  0:41                       ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12  7:55                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-12 15:23                         ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Tim Bird
2008-06-12 15:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:05                             ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:08                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 16:15                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 16:12                               ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  0:25                                 ` Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:22                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13  6:55                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:06                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13  7:04                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 15:02                                     ` linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13 17:00                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13 17:12                                         ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 18:44                                           ` Tim Bird
2008-06-13 18:55                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 19:00                                             ` Bill Traynor
2008-06-13 19:43                                             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2008-06-13 17:30                                       ` Makefile debugger linux-embedded-owner
2008-06-13  8:50                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:11                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 14:51                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:58                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 16:00                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 17:38                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-17 13:57                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 11:14                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:22                                 ` Bart Van Assche
2008-06-12 18:29                               ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 19:02                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13 13:29                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-13 13:59                                   ` Josh Boyer
2008-06-12 16:08                             ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:28                               ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 16:31                                 ` Paul Mundt
2008-06-12 16:38                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 18:50                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-12 17:14                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:22                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 17:23                                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:01                                     ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 16:37                                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 17:01                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-12 17:19                                     ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-12 17:17                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-13 11:15                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-06-13 11:17                                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-12 18:34                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 19:00                                   ` Bill Gatliff
2008-06-15 21:51                                   ` Rob Landley
2008-06-12 18:30                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:57                                 ` Wolfgang Denk
2008-06-12 16:23                             ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 18:37                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                 ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-15 23:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:02                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:28                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  9:25                                         ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  1:25                               ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13  1:28                                 ` Robert P. J. Day
2008-06-13  1:29                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  6:30                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 18:51                                     ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13 22:25                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 23:19                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-14  0:07                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-14 11:26                                             ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16 11:39                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 12:06                                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 13:32                                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 16:28                                                     ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-16 22:28                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 22:44                                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-16  5:11                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:33                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  8:33                                             ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16 11:17                                               ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:43                                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-16  7:55                                           ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16 15:15                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17  6:27                                               ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-17 13:46                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-17 14:22                                                   ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  4:57                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 11:44                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:31                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  8:13                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-16  8:21                                       ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  3:11                                 ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-13 18:47                                   ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-13  6:43                             ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  8:38                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13  9:06                                 ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13  9:12                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-13  9:32                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 15:28                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-14  0:31                                         ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16  4:23                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 10:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:09                                               ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 11:52                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-16 11:59                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-16 16:43                                                   ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 10:03                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 11:24                                     ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:17                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 13:28                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 13:40                                       ` Alexander Neundorf
2008-06-13 13:56                                         ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-06-13 14:41                                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:49                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2008-06-13 14:51                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:55                                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 15:16                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 18:45                                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-06-13 19:10                                         ` Robert Schwebel
2008-06-16  4:08                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16  7:31                                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-06-16 14:33                                             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-16 16:45                                               ` Bernhard Fischer
2008-06-13 19:14                                   ` cross-compiling alternatives (was Re: [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s)...) Rob Landley
2008-06-13 15:25                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 18:25                         ` [PATCH 0/1] Embedded Maintainer(s), linux-embedded@vger list Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-12 21:11                           ` David VomLehn
2008-06-12 21:42                             ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 21:46                               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-12 21:53                                 ` Tim Bird
2008-06-12 21:56                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-06-13  8:39                                     ` James Chapman
2008-06-13  9:02                                       ` Daniel THOMPSON
2008-06-13 11:28                                         ` James Chapman
2008-06-12 22:02                                 ` Jim Freeman
2008-06-13 13:14                                   ` Samuel Robb
2008-06-13 14:36                                     ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 14:26                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-13 22:24                               ` David VomLehn
2008-06-15 15:39                         ` Leon Woestenberg
2008-06-15 21:43                           ` Rob Landley
2008-06-23 17:22     ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 18:57       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-06-23 19:12         ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:33           ` Sam Ravnborg
     [not found]   ` <48190B5F.9010505@am.sony.com>
     [not found]     ` <20080501095822.GL20451@one.firstfloor.org>
2008-05-01 10:02       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-01 10:41         ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 15:00           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-02 20:01             ` Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu
2008-05-02 20:14               ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-02 20:33                 ` Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu
2008-05-02 20:53                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-03 22:24                     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-05-05  1:52                       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-23 17:28           ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 17:45             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-06-23 18:19               ` Denys Vlasenko
2008-06-23 19:05               ` Tim Bird [this message]
2008-06-25  9:50               ` James Chapman
2008-06-25 15:41                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 18:26 ` Josh Boyer
2008-04-30 18:43   ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-30 18:45     ` Josh Boyer
2008-04-30 23:34 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01  7:04   ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-02 11:58 ` Kristoffer Ericson

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