Re: Request for multiple mailing lists

[Vikram Ambrose <Vikram.Ambrose@windriver.com>]

As usual, only the ones that wish to argue for no reason are the ones to 
respond, when the culprits stay silent. Nevertheless I didn't expect 
miracles to happen. Open Source is after all a socialist concept, and I 
haven't earned my stripes yet.

Oh and I almost forget, we also need a selinux-offtopic list for the 
likes of Casey Schaufler, Russel Cooker and Vesa-Matti Kari to continue 
their meaningless banters.

/V

Vikram Ambrose wrote:
> The SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov> mailing list is being cluttered 
> with non selinux related material.
>
> Especially concerning refpolicy. And there is no set fast term used 
> for filtering such content, and needless to say a waste of bandwidth.
>
> The SELinux list is not a place for non-SELinux maintainers, like 
> Tresys to discuss their policies within themselves. Would it be 
> alright for me and the other developers in my company to use the 
> SELinux list to discuss our policies? Or the next company that decides 
> to adopt SELinux? RedHat goes as far as to using the SELinux list as a 
> communication channel with Tresys. Unless there has been some 
> agreement made between the SELinux gatekeepers (NSA?) , Tresys and 
> Redhat, I find this a misuse of the mailing list.
>
> In the last 4 months, there have only been a handful of unique threads 
> concerning SELinux. A few by Stepehen, Eric, and myself. Everything 
> else is policy related.  With a total of 800 odd messages in this time 
> frame, its quite clear the policy discussion is cluttering the list. 
> As more and more people begin to adopt SELinux and face the battles of 
> SELinux integration, the userspace topic will become increasingly 
> popular.
>
> As I see it, the current list should be split into 3.
>
> 1. selinux-kernel
>    This would be a very low volume list. .Perhaps even with special 
> clearance to address security holes and concerns.
> 2. selinux-userspace
>    This list would deal with userspace tools, wrappers and other non 
> kernel related material. Whether it be NSA's userspace tools or 
> support for 3rd party applications being compiled to be selinux-aware 
> using libselinux. This list is very important, if not the most 
> important of the three.
> 3. selinux-policy
>    This list will deal with policies. A good place for Administrators 
> and policy developers to discuss the creation, debugging and use of 
> various policies. This as it stands would have the highest volume. 
> Nevertheless as suggested by Grift Dominick on #selinux, a forum would 
> be an even better place to discuss policies. Repository of ideas, 
> designs and development dedicated to policies. A forum for the 
> Administrator and Policy Developer.
>
> Without this breakdown, the selinux list would be analogous to people 
> talking about GNU and C programming on lkml.
>
>
> Vikram.
>
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