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From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
To: David VomLehn <dvomlehn@cisco.com>
Cc: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	C Michael Sundius <Michael.sundius@sciatl.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-mips@linux-mips.org,
	jfraser@broadcom.com, Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>
Subject: Re: sparsemem support for mips with highmem
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:58:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48AC231B.3090801@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48AB5959.6090609@cisco.com>

David VomLehn wrote:

>> The virtually mapped memmap results in smaller code and is typically more
>> effective since the processor caches the TLB entries.
> 
> I'm pretty ignorant on this subject, but I think this is worth
> discussing. On a MIPS processor, access to low memory bypasses the TLB
> entirely. I think what you are suggesting is to use mapped addresses to
> make all of low memory virtually contiguous. On a MIPS processor, we

No the virtual area is only used to map the memory map (the array of page
structs). That is just a small fraction of memory.


> could do this by allocating a "wired" TLB entry for each physically
> contiguous block of memory. Wired TLB entries are never replaced, so
> they are very efficient for long-lived mappings such as this. Using the
> TLB in this way does increase TLB pressure, but most platforms probably
> have a very small number of "holes" in their memory. So, this may be a
> small overhead.

That would consume precious resources.

Just place the memmap into the vmalloc area gets you there. TLB entries should
be loaded on demand.


> If I'm understand what you are suggesting correctly (a big if), the
> downside is that we'd pay the cost of a TLB match for each non-cached
> low memory data access. It seems to me that would be a higher cost than
> having the occasional, more expensive, sparsemem lookup in pfn_to_page.

The cost going through a TLB mapping is only incurred for accesses to the
memmap array. Not for general memory accesses.

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From: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
To: David VomLehn <dvomlehn@cisco.com>
Cc: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>,
	C Michael Sundius <Michael.sundius@sciatl.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Bogendoerfer <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-mips@linux-mips.org,
	jfraser@broadcom.com, Andy Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>
Subject: Re: sparsemem support for mips with highmem
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:58:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48AC231B.3090801@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48AB5959.6090609@cisco.com>

David VomLehn wrote:

>> The virtually mapped memmap results in smaller code and is typically more
>> effective since the processor caches the TLB entries.
> 
> I'm pretty ignorant on this subject, but I think this is worth
> discussing. On a MIPS processor, access to low memory bypasses the TLB
> entirely. I think what you are suggesting is to use mapped addresses to
> make all of low memory virtually contiguous. On a MIPS processor, we

No the virtual area is only used to map the memory map (the array of page
structs). That is just a small fraction of memory.


> could do this by allocating a "wired" TLB entry for each physically
> contiguous block of memory. Wired TLB entries are never replaced, so
> they are very efficient for long-lived mappings such as this. Using the
> TLB in this way does increase TLB pressure, but most platforms probably
> have a very small number of "holes" in their memory. So, this may be a
> small overhead.

That would consume precious resources.

Just place the memmap into the vmalloc area gets you there. TLB entries should
be loaded on demand.


> If I'm understand what you are suggesting correctly (a big if), the
> downside is that we'd pay the cost of a TLB match for each non-cached
> low memory data access. It seems to me that would be a higher cost than
> having the occasional, more expensive, sparsemem lookup in pfn_to_page.

The cost going through a TLB mapping is only incurred for accesses to the
memmap array. Not for general memory accesses.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-20 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-14 22:05 sparsemem support for mips with highmem C Michael Sundius
2008-08-14 22:35 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-14 22:35   ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-14 23:16   ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-14 23:16     ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-14 23:52   ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-15  0:02     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15  0:02       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15  8:03     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-15  8:03       ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-15 15:48       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15 15:48         ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15 16:12         ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-15 16:12           ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-15 16:20           ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15 16:20             ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15 16:33           ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-15 16:33             ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-15 17:16             ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-15 17:16               ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-15 17:37               ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15 17:37                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15 18:17                 ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-15 18:17                   ` C Michael Sundius
2008-08-15 18:23                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-15 18:23                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-16 20:07                     ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-16 20:07                       ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-18 16:44                   ` Randy Dunlap
2008-08-18 16:44                     ` Randy Dunlap
2008-08-18 21:24                     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-18 21:24                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-18 21:27                       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-18 21:27                         ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-18 21:33                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-18 21:33                           ` Christoph Lameter
2009-01-16 21:46                           ` Michael Sundius
2009-01-16 21:46                             ` Michael Sundius
2009-01-21 14:39                             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-01-21 14:39                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-18 21:57                       ` David VomLehn
2008-08-18 21:57                         ` David VomLehn
2008-08-19 13:06                         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-19 13:06                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-19 23:38                           ` David VomLehn
2008-08-19 23:38                             ` David VomLehn
2008-08-19 23:53                             ` Jon Fraser
2008-08-19 23:53                               ` Jon Fraser
2008-08-20 13:58                             ` Christoph Lameter [this message]
2008-08-20 13:58                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-20 19:28                               ` David VomLehn
2008-08-20 19:28                                 ` David VomLehn
2008-08-20 20:51                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-20 20:51                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-15 16:30         ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-15 16:30           ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2008-08-26  9:09     ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-08-26  9:09       ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-10-06 20:15       ` Have ever checked in your mips sparsemem code into mips-linux tree? C Michael Sundius

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