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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: akataria@vmware.com
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	"avi@redhat.com" <avi@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Zach Amsden <zach@vmware.com>, Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>,
	"Jun.Nakajima@Intel.Com" <Jun.Nakajima@Intel.Com>
Subject: Re: [Hypervisors] TSC frequency change
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:47:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E34741.1030608@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1222835709.32162.26.camel@alok-dev1>

Alok Kataria wrote:
> Hi Gerd,
> 
> As Zach explained, we support a view that, tsc is constant.

Ok, so the guest doesn't have to worry about possible tsc changes when
using that interface.  Should go into the comment documenting the leaf.

> Coming back to the migration problem, as you too acknowledge, migration
> to a host with a different frequency should be seen as a different
> problem. I would be interested in learning about any proposal that you
> may have thought about to handle this.

xen paravirtualized is explained below.

xen full virtualized: dunno.

kvm: provide something else for timekeeping to avoid the tsc trouble
altogether if possible.  hpet, pm_timer, paravirtualized clocksource.
Obviously can't work for all guests though.  paravirtual clocksource
works like the xen one.

cheers,
  Gerd

>>> What special things does Xen do at migration, which would be affected by
>>> this interface ?
>> paravirtualized xen guests have a paravirtual clock.  That is a struct
>> containing three pieces of information: system time, tsc counter for the
>> last system time update, tsc frequency.  The guest gets the current time
>> by reading the system time and adding a delta calculated from current
>> tsc, tsc of last systime update and tsc frequency.  Handling tsc
>> frequency changes is obviously trivial here, just update the field on
>> the next systime update ;)
> 
> Oh nice, that is convenient. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Alok
> 
> 


      reply	other threads:[~2008-10-01  9:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-26 23:46 Use CPUID to communicate with the hypervisor Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  0:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  0:30   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  0:32     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  0:59       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-27  1:55         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  4:52           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 20:56   ` Karel Zak
2008-09-27  1:02 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-27  1:28   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  3:11   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-27  4:20     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-27  5:37       ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-28  5:01     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29  9:28       ` Tim Deegan
2008-09-29  9:44         ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  6:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29  7:37   ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  9:08     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-09-29  9:33       ` Gleb Natapov
2008-09-29 15:32     ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  9:16       ` Avi Kivity
2008-09-29  8:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-29 17:55   ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 17:58     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 18:46     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-29 19:38       ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-29 20:31         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 20:55         ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-29 21:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 21:28             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-09-29 21:49               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 23:20               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-09-30  0:33                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  0:12               ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30  0:31                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  0:56                   ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  0:58                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  1:14                       ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  2:21                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-30  3:14                           ` Nakajima, Jun
2008-09-30  3:48                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-29 22:46         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30  0:33           ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-30  8:11             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-30 16:42               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-10-02 11:52                 ` Avi Kivity
2008-10-01  4:35               ` [Hypervisors] TSC frequency change Alok Kataria
2008-10-01  9:47                 ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]

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