From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: akataria@vmware.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Skip tsc synchronization checks if CONSTANT_TSC bit is set.
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:46:15 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49011AD7.7000901@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081024002511.GC27492@one.firstfloor.org>
Andi Kleen wrote:
>> As far as skipping the check, it makes sense for me in the case of known
>> virtualization platforms; a CPU feature bit, real or synthetic, is a
>> very clean way to do that.
>
> I don't think adding detection for non PV Hypervisors is anywhere clean
> Even if it's only VMware today, tomorrow it will be a few more
> and long term you might need to support all of the obscuro hypervisors
> that are out there. Just seems like a slippery slope. Either it's
> paravirtual or it's not, but it should attempt to be both. If the hypervisor
> doesn't emulate TSC well enough that the native code works it's entirely
> reasonable to let it use some other timer, like it has been always
> done in the past.
That is at least to some degree nonsense, simply because we are all well
down that particular "slippery slope": we have hardware blacklists and
whitelists, CPU-specific workarounds, and so on all over the place, and
in that sense a hypervisor really isn't different than another hardware
platform.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-24 0:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-10-21 1:35 [PATCH 0/3] Improve TSC as a clocksource under VMware Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 5:55 ` Chris Snook
2008-10-21 19:11 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:26 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:29 ` Jeff Hansen
2008-10-21 9:43 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 16:41 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 17:40 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 18:04 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 18:15 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 19:10 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 19:27 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-21 19:47 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 21:41 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:23 ` [PATCH] Skip tsc synchronization checks if CONSTANT_TSC bit is set Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-10-22 19:30 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 20:17 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 22:04 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 19:58 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 22:00 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 22:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-22 22:11 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-22 22:54 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-23 2:21 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-23 8:10 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-23 23:39 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-23 23:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-24 0:25 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24 0:46 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-10-24 7:23 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24 15:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-24 19:25 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24 19:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-24 19:34 ` Andi Kleen
2008-10-24 19:50 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-24 20:18 ` Dan Hecht
2008-10-24 1:12 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-24 1:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-22 22:15 ` Alan Cox
2008-10-22 22:17 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 9:50 ` [PATCH 0/3] Improve TSC as a clocksource under VMware Pavel Machek
2008-10-21 16:48 ` Alok Kataria
2008-10-21 18:36 ` Pavel Machek
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