* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-06 17:26 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-11-06 17:56 ` Brendan Pike
2008-11-06 19:34 ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-11-10 7:45 ` Takashi Iwai
2 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Brendan Pike @ 2008-11-06 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: Bjoern, alsa-devel, The Source, Olausson
Takashi, your efforts have not gone unnoticed.
Very appreciated of what you accomplished in such a small timeframe.
I finally stuffed the X-Fi in my workstation today as I had to install
a HiFn crypto accelerator card anyways.
The Creative provided source compiles into a single kernel module,
unlike the huge binary mess Creative released back in April.
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:10 +0100 Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> At Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:20:09 +0300,
> The Source wrote:
> >
> > Bjoern Olausson пишет:
> > > Creative released a driver today....
> > > I am hasitating to install it.. the last one was so crappy and I just
> > > installed my gentoo new ;-)
> > >
> > > But it looks really like the SOURCE, so maybe it will help to pimp the
> > > ALSA driver (would rather see an implementation in alsa then an driver
> > > from Creative)
> > >
> > > http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288
> > >
> > > http://support.creative.com/downloads/download.aspx?nDownloadId=10792
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Bjoern
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Alsa-devel@alsa-project.org
> > > http://mailman.alsa-project.org/mailman/listinfo/alsa-devel
> > >
> > >
> > Tried that driver. It oopses for my system (2.6.26.6-79.fc9.x86_64). I
> > attached dmesg output with oops trace log. Since that driver is open
> > source, this log might be interesting for you. Pergaps you can get the
> > driver to working state?
>
> Perhaps, but I don't want to give such a funny game like debugging
> away from you ;)
>
> Yeah, I'm going to check their driver later, maybe tomorrow or weekend
> (I've been pretty busy in these weeks for other stuff).
>
> Anyway it's a great news if they really opened the source codes.
> Hopefully my work wasn't a waste... at least to motivate them toward
> the right direction.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Takashi
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-06 17:26 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-11-06 17:56 ` Brendan Pike
@ 2008-11-06 19:34 ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-11-10 7:45 ` Takashi Iwai
2 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bjoern Olausson @ 2008-11-06 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel, The Source
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 18:26, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
>
> Anyway it's a great news if they really opened the source codes.
> Hopefully my work wasn't a waste... at least to motivate them toward
> the right direction.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Takashi
>
I guess your work finally made creative to take that step. They can't
leave the fact uncommented, that someone (you) wrote a working drivers
without even having the hardware.... This makes the whole X-Fi
disaster more embarrassing for Creative....
Thanks for you work Takashi
kind regards
blubbi
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-06 17:26 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-11-06 17:56 ` Brendan Pike
2008-11-06 19:34 ` Bjoern Olausson
@ 2008-11-10 7:45 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-11-10 7:47 ` The Source
2008-11-11 5:14 ` Bjoern Olausson
2 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2008-11-10 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: The Source; +Cc: alsa-devel, Bjoern Olausson
At Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:10 +0100,
I wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm going to check their driver later, maybe tomorrow or weekend
Did take a quick glance through their code now.
A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned.
There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it
shouldn't be that difficult.
Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the
upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact
person.
thanks,
Takashi
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-10 7:45 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-11-10 7:47 ` The Source
2008-11-11 5:14 ` Bjoern Olausson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: The Source @ 2008-11-10 7:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
Takashi Iwai пишет:
> At Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:10 +0100,
> I wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm going to check their driver later, maybe tomorrow or weekend
>>
>
> Did take a quick glance through their code now.
> A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned.
> There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it
> shouldn't be that difficult.
>
> Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the
> upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact
> person.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Takashi
>
>
You can contact them via driver forum thread moderator for now. He can
deliver your request and give you contact information if they allow that.
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-10 7:45 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-11-10 7:47 ` The Source
@ 2008-11-11 5:14 ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-11-11 7:55 ` Bjoern Olausson
1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bjoern Olausson @ 2008-11-11 5:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 08:45, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote:
> At Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:26:10 +0100,
> I wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I'm going to check their driver later, maybe tomorrow or weekend
>
> Did take a quick glance through their code now.
> A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned.
> There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it
> shouldn't be that difficult.
>
> Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the
> upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact
> person.
>
I posted in the driver feedback forum and asked them to get in contact
with you or me, so lets see what happens.
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=132606#M132606
Kind regards
Bjoern
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-11 5:14 ` Bjoern Olausson
@ 2008-11-11 7:55 ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-11-11 8:10 ` Takashi Iwai
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bjoern Olausson @ 2008-11-11 7:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:14, Bjoern Olausson <lkmlist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Did take a quick glance through their code now.
>> A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned.
>> There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it
>> shouldn't be that difficult.
>>
>> Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the
>> upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact
>> person.
>>
>
> I posted in the driver feedback forum and asked them to get in contact
> with you or me, so lets see what happens.
>
> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=132606#M132606
>
Seems there is no way to get in contact with the Devs directly, no
bugtracker, nothing... just that forum... (but I guess no dev is
?allowed/willing? to write in this forum) I don't really understand
the way creative communicates with it's customers... so lets see if
someone will contact you... my guess is no...
Anyway, for my next PC I'll look around for another soundcard vendor.
http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=132610#M132610
kind regards
Bjoern
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-11 7:55 ` Bjoern Olausson
@ 2008-11-11 8:10 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-11-11 18:33 ` James Courtier-Dutton
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Takashi Iwai @ 2008-11-11 8:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bjoern Olausson; +Cc: alsa-devel
At Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:55:04 +0100,
Bjoern Olausson wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:14, Bjoern Olausson <lkmlist@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Did take a quick glance through their code now.
> >> A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned.
> >> There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it
> >> shouldn't be that difficult.
> >>
> >> Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the
> >> upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact
> >> person.
> >>
> >
> > I posted in the driver feedback forum and asked them to get in contact
> > with you or me, so lets see what happens.
> >
> > http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=132606#M132606
> >
>
> Seems there is no way to get in contact with the Devs directly, no
> bugtracker, nothing... just that forum... (but I guess no dev is
> ?allowed/willing? to write in this forum) I don't really understand
> the way creative communicates with it's customers... so lets see if
> someone will contact you... my guess is no...
Well, let's hope it.
thanks,
Takashi
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-11 8:10 ` Takashi Iwai
@ 2008-11-11 18:33 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-11-11 19:36 ` Bjoern Olausson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: James Courtier-Dutton @ 2008-11-11 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Takashi Iwai; +Cc: alsa-devel, Bjoern Olausson
Takashi Iwai wrote:
> At Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:55:04 +0100,
> Bjoern Olausson wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 06:14, Bjoern Olausson <lkmlist@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Did take a quick glance through their code now.
>>>> A good news is that it's much better than I was concerned.
>>>> There are a few things to be fixed / discussed, but basically it
>>>> shouldn't be that difficult.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone have a contact with them? If they are interested in the
>>>> upstream merging, please give my name and address as the contact
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>> I posted in the driver feedback forum and asked them to get in contact
>>> with you or me, so lets see what happens.
>>>
>>> http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&view=by_date_ascending&message.id=132606#M132606
>>>
>> Seems there is no way to get in contact with the Devs directly, no
>> bugtracker, nothing... just that forum... (but I guess no dev is
>> ?allowed/willing? to write in this forum) I don't really understand
>> the way creative communicates with it's customers... so lets see if
>> someone will contact you... my guess is no...
>
> Well, let's hope it.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Takashi
All the good contacts I had at Creative have left the company.
>From what I understand of how the company works internally, is that the
only reason they have this open source driver is because some large
customer of theirs required it. They have no interest in what happens to
the driver over and above supporting the one customer that requested it.
I therefore doubt that they will make any contact with us regarding
getting the driver into the kernel. If that was the case, they would
have approached us earlier.
Kind Regards
James
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-11 18:33 ` James Courtier-Dutton
@ 2008-11-11 19:36 ` Bjoern Olausson
2008-11-11 21:47 ` Vedran Miletić
0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bjoern Olausson @ 2008-11-11 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: James Courtier-Dutton; +Cc: Takashi Iwai, alsa-devel
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:33, James Courtier-Dutton
<James@superbug.co.uk> wrote:
>
> All the good contacts I had at Creative have left the company.
> From what I understand of how the company works internally, is that the
> only reason they have this open source driver is because some large
> customer of theirs required it. They have no interest in what happens to
> the driver over and above supporting the one customer that requested it.
> I therefore doubt that they will make any contact with us regarding
> getting the driver into the kernel. If that was the case, they would
> have approached us earlier.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> James
>
If you are right, that would be a straight hit in the face of every
Linux X-Fi user and the OpenSource community.
So sad... but thanks for the info.
Lets hope the best.
Bjoern
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-11 19:36 ` Bjoern Olausson
@ 2008-11-11 21:47 ` Vedran Miletić
2008-11-12 10:05 ` Pavel Hofman
2008-11-12 17:46 ` Bjoern Olausson
0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Vedran Miletić @ 2008-11-11 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bjoern Olausson; +Cc: Takashi Iwai, alsa-devel
2008/11/11 Bjoern Olausson <lkmlist@gmail.com>:
> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:33, James Courtier-Dutton
> <James@superbug.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> All the good contacts I had at Creative have left the company.
>> From what I understand of how the company works internally, is that the
>> only reason they have this open source driver is because some large
>> customer of theirs required it. They have no interest in what happens to
>> the driver over and above supporting the one customer that requested it.
>> I therefore doubt that they will make any contact with us regarding
>> getting the driver into the kernel. If that was the case, they would
>> have approached us earlier.
>>
>> Kind Regards
>>
>> James
>>
>
> If you are right, that would be a straight hit in the face of every
> Linux X-Fi user and the OpenSource community.
> So sad... but thanks for the info.
>
> Lets hope the best.
>
> Bjoern
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Then show your appreciation to Creative by never ever buying any of
their products again. That's what I'm going to do.
--
Vedran Miletić
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-11 21:47 ` Vedran Miletić
@ 2008-11-12 10:05 ` Pavel Hofman
2008-11-12 17:46 ` Bjoern Olausson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Pavel Hofman @ 2008-11-12 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
Vedran Miletić wrote:
> 2008/11/11 Bjoern Olausson <lkmlist@gmail.com>:
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 19:33, James Courtier-Dutton
>> <James@superbug.co.uk> wrote:
>>> All the good contacts I had at Creative have left the company.
>>> From what I understand of how the company works internally, is that the
>>> only reason they have this open source driver is because some large
>>> customer of theirs required it. They have no interest in what happens to
>>> the driver over and above supporting the one customer that requested it.
>>> I therefore doubt that they will make any contact with us regarding
>>> getting the driver into the kernel. If that was the case, they would
>>> have approached us earlier.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>> If you are right, that would be a straight hit in the face of every
>> Linux X-Fi user and the OpenSource community.
>> So sad... but thanks for the info.
>>
>> Lets hope the best.
>>
>> Bjoern
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>
> Then show your appreciation to Creative by never ever buying any of
> their products again. That's what I'm going to do.
>
Honestly, at least they did something. There are sound card
manufacturers that never released a single line of code, nor did they
offer NDAs to ALSA developers.
If it is for a large customer, I cannot imagine he would be satisfied
with the current state of the released driver. But I may be wrong, as
often :)
Pavel.
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* Re: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit Driver Source released
2008-11-11 21:47 ` Vedran Miletić
2008-11-12 10:05 ` Pavel Hofman
@ 2008-11-12 17:46 ` Bjoern Olausson
1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Bjoern Olausson @ 2008-11-12 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vedran Miletić; +Cc: Takashi Iwai, alsa-devel
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 22:47, Vedran Miletić <rivanvx@gmail.com> wrote:
>> If you are right, that would be a straight hit in the face of every
>> Linux X-Fi user and the OpenSource community.
>> So sad... but thanks for the info.
>>
>> Lets hope the best.
>>
>> Bjoern
>>
>
> Then show your appreciation to Creative by never ever buying any of
> their products again. That's what I'm going to do.
>
> --
> Vedran Miletić
>
Thats exactly what I will do. Befor this desaster I recommended
Creative to everyone... but nope, no longer...
kind regards
Bjoern
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