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From: Benoit PAPILLAULT <benoit.papillault@free.fr>
To: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Cc: Derek Smithies <derek@indranet.co.nz>,
	ath5k-devel@lists.ath5k.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, wally@theblackmoor.net
Subject: Re: [ath5k-devel] Unusually low speeds with ath5k and iwl3945
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:34:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <492A5913.3070007@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4927FC0C.10900@gmail.com>

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Maxim Levitsky a =E9crit :
> Derek Smithies wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  to verify that it is a rate control issue, there is one very simple=
 and=20
>> very practical test.
>>
>> Take both ends of your link, and set them to fixed rate, and at the =
rate=20
>> you think it should be achieving.
>> If you can achieve significantly higher throughputs with fixed rate,=
 you=20
>> know that the rate control algorithm (or interface with rate algorit=
hm)=20
>> has failed.
>>
>> Derek.
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Bob Copeland wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:28:29PM +0200, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>>>> I initially blamed iwl3945, then thought it got fixed, but now I h=
ave
>>>> ath5k, and speeds are low
>>>> and I suspect that both drivers has bugs regarding to speed.
>>> Quite possible, but both use mac80211 for rate control.  Which rate
>>> control algorithm are you using?
> Hi,
>=20
> Well, iwl3945 was showing 54M all the time in iwconfig,
> also it doesn't support setting fixed rate, at least not using iwconf=
ig.
>=20
> ath5k never shows higher that 18M, and supports setting fixed rate, b=
ut if I set it to anything higher that 18M,
> speeds drop to 0Kbytes/s immediately.
> Speeds lower that 18M work, and affect throughput accordantly
> For most of tests speeds are ether 18M or lower, but then when I set =
them to 18M this didn't increase throughput.
> =20
> iwl3945 was always at 54M
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Best regards,
> 	Maxim Levitsky

I did a similar test here and results is very strange. AP was my good
old linksys WRT54G running an iperf server. Client was a laptop running
either ath5k or madwifi/trunk and an iperf client. Channel is 5. Both
drivers show the same behaviour.

At the beginning, throughput was very low : 500 - 600 kbit/s. Suddenly
(after few minutes), it jumps to 15 - 17 Mbit/s and then few minutes
later (let's say 10 - 20 minutes maybe), it jumps back to 500 - 600
kbit/s. Using a fixed rate has no effect.

I used my latest wireless monitoring tools and I did not saw lost of
duplicates or lost packets. The only difference was the number of
packets sent by seconds....

Looking a my syslog, I just saw few messages, unrelated in time with th=
e
throughput going up or down. They were:
- - ath5k : unsupported jumbo
- - switching to short barker preamble
- - switching to long barker preamble

I can repeat the same test with iwl3945 as well, if needed.

Regards,
Beno=EEt
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From: Benoit PAPILLAULT <benoit.papillault@free.fr>
To: Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>
Cc: Derek Smithies <derek@indranet.co.nz>,
	ath5k-devel@venema.h4ckr.net, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	ipw3945-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, wally@theblackmoor.net
Subject: Re: [ath5k-devel] Unusually low speeds with ath5k and iwl3945
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:34:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <492A5913.3070007@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4927FC0C.10900@gmail.com>

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Maxim Levitsky a écrit :
> Derek Smithies wrote:
>> Hi,
>>  to verify that it is a rate control issue, there is one very simple and 
>> very practical test.
>>
>> Take both ends of your link, and set them to fixed rate, and at the rate 
>> you think it should be achieving.
>> If you can achieve significantly higher throughputs with fixed rate, you 
>> know that the rate control algorithm (or interface with rate algorithm) 
>> has failed.
>>
>> Derek.
>>
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008, Bob Copeland wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:28:29PM +0200, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>>>> I initially blamed iwl3945, then thought it got fixed, but now I have
>>>> ath5k, and speeds are low
>>>> and I suspect that both drivers has bugs regarding to speed.
>>> Quite possible, but both use mac80211 for rate control.  Which rate
>>> control algorithm are you using?
> Hi,
> 
> Well, iwl3945 was showing 54M all the time in iwconfig,
> also it doesn't support setting fixed rate, at least not using iwconfig.
> 
> ath5k never shows higher that 18M, and supports setting fixed rate, but if I set it to anything higher that 18M,
> speeds drop to 0Kbytes/s immediately.
> Speeds lower that 18M work, and affect throughput accordantly
> For most of tests speeds are ether 18M or lower, but then when I set them to 18M this didn't increase throughput.
>  
> iwl3945 was always at 54M
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 	Maxim Levitsky

I did a similar test here and results is very strange. AP was my good
old linksys WRT54G running an iperf server. Client was a laptop running
either ath5k or madwifi/trunk and an iperf client. Channel is 5. Both
drivers show the same behaviour.

At the beginning, throughput was very low : 500 - 600 kbit/s. Suddenly
(after few minutes), it jumps to 15 - 17 Mbit/s and then few minutes
later (let's say 10 - 20 minutes maybe), it jumps back to 500 - 600
kbit/s. Using a fixed rate has no effect.

I used my latest wireless monitoring tools and I did not saw lost of
duplicates or lost packets. The only difference was the number of
packets sent by seconds....

Looking a my syslog, I just saw few messages, unrelated in time with the
throughput going up or down. They were:
- - ath5k : unsupported jumbo
- - switching to short barker preamble
- - switching to long barker preamble

I can repeat the same test with iwl3945 as well, if needed.

Regards,
Benoît
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-24  7:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-21 20:28 Unusually low speeds with ath5k and iwl3945 Maxim Levitsky
2008-11-21 20:28 ` Maxim Levitsky
2008-11-22  0:52 ` Bob Copeland
2008-11-22  0:52   ` Bob Copeland
2008-11-22  3:46   ` [ath5k-devel] " Derek Smithies
2008-11-22  3:46     ` Derek Smithies
2008-11-22 12:33     ` Maxim Levitsky
2008-11-22 12:33       ` Maxim Levitsky
2008-11-24  7:34       ` Benoit PAPILLAULT [this message]
2008-11-24  7:34         ` Benoit PAPILLAULT
2008-11-24  9:43         ` Felix Fietkau
2008-11-24  9:43           ` Felix Fietkau
2008-11-24 10:34           ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-24 10:34             ` Johannes Berg
2008-11-25 19:46           ` Benoit PAPILLAULT
2008-11-25 19:46             ` Benoit PAPILLAULT
2008-11-25 22:47             ` Felix Fietkau
2008-11-25 22:47               ` Felix Fietkau
2008-11-22 10:16 ` [ipw3945-devel] " Rafał Miłecki
2008-11-22 10:16   ` Rafał Miłecki
2008-12-03 16:55 ` reinette chatre
2008-12-03 16:55   ` reinette chatre
2008-12-03 17:09   ` Maxim Levitsky
2008-12-03 17:09     ` Maxim Levitsky
2008-12-03 17:36     ` reinette chatre
2008-12-03 17:36       ` reinette chatre

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