What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Daniel J Walsh]

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Justin P. Mattock]

I get error notice NSA/CSS
With an iPhone.
Clicking on the suggested link
Result's in the same error.

Regards;

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Joshua Kramer]

I think it moved here:

http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:26:11 -0500
> From: Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
> To: SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
> Subject: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????
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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Bryan Kropf]

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If this resource has moved, this is bad.

Google query for "selinux halt" results in one query result thus

SELinux Mailing List
do not insist on selinux], halt the system with an appropriate message. > 
> > > > > The indication could be that there is no selinux support in the 
kernel, ...
www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0310/5366.cfm - 15k - Cached - Similar 
pages

which when accessed result in a dead end here 
http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0310/5366.cfm

I, for one, prefer meaningful and helpful research results and not a lot 
of monkey business.

Just my $ .02


Bryan Kropf, CISSP, NSA-IAM/IEM




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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????







I think it moved here:

http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:

> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:26:11 -0500
> From: Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
> To: SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
> Subject: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????
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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Daniel J Walsh]

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Bryan Kropf wrote:
> If this resource has moved, this is bad.
> 
> Google query for "selinux halt" results in one query result thus
> 
> SELinux Mailing List
> do not insist on selinux], halt the system with an appropriate message. > 
>>>>>> The indication could be that there is no selinux support in the 
> kernel, ...
> www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0310/5366.cfm - 15k - Cached - Similar 
> pages
> 
> which when accessed result in a dead end here 
> http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0310/5366.cfm
> 
> I, for one, prefer meaningful and helpful research results and not a lot 
> of monkey business.
> 
> Just my $ .02
> 
> 
> Bryan Kropf, CISSP, NSA-IAM/IEM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Joshua Kramer <josh@globalherald.net> 
> Sent by: owner-selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
> 01/28/2009 04:24 PM
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> To
> Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
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> SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
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> Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think it moved here:
> 
> http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/
> 
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> 
>> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:26:11 -0500
>> From: Daniel J Walsh <dwalsh@redhat.com>
>> To: SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
>> Subject: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????
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Can some one at NSA insist that this link be put back.

Semms pretty easy to link http://www.nsa.gov/selinux to
http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/

Since this has got to be one of the most common links hit off the
nsa.gov site.


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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Russell Coker]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, Bryan Kropf <Bryan_Kropf@raytheon.com> wrote:
> which when accessed result in a dead end here
> http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0310/5366.cfm

http://marc.info/?l=selinux&r=1&w=2

The NSA seems to improve their web site every few years and break links 
(particularly the mailing list archives).  This combined with the significant 
delay in updating the mailing list archives greatly reduces their value.  The 
above URL has an alternate archive for the SE Linux list which doesn't change 
and is updated more frequently.

If you try and avoid linking to the NSA mailing list archives and instead link 
to the marc.info archives then Google will be more likely to return marc.info 
results that won't get broken.

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Daniel J Walsh]

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R P Herrold wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> 
> I think I addressed this possibility with you and you punted.
> 
> -- Russ herrold
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=241488
> 
> opened: 2007-05-26
> 
>  -------  Comment #2 From  R P Herrold (herrold@owlriver.com) 2007-06-05
> 12:51:59 EDT   (-) [reply] -------
> 
> Thanks for the update
> 
> -- as noted, in comment 1
> 
> "I request that a /usr/share/doc/checkpolicy/ tree be added containing
> all the
> content below the external link noted, so that it is available"
> 
> ... the thought I had was that if one is in a non-connected environment
> this is just not visible, _or_ if the political winds of funding shift,
> this all has the prospect of disappearing.
> 
> ===================================
> 
> 
Vindication is mine....

Well I guess that man page should be rewritten to point at much newer
information like the latest Fedora pages, SELinux By Example, or just
google selinux policy.    Which will get you this link and then fail...

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:35 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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> R P Herrold wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> > 
> > I think I addressed this possibility with you and you punted.
> > 
> > -- Russ herrold
> > 
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=241488
> > 
> > opened: 2007-05-26
> > 
> >  -------  Comment #2 From  R P Herrold (herrold@owlriver.com) 2007-06-05
> > 12:51:59 EDT   (-) [reply] -------
> > 
> > Thanks for the update
> > 
> > -- as noted, in comment 1
> > 
> > "I request that a /usr/share/doc/checkpolicy/ tree be added containing
> > all the
> > content below the external link noted, so that it is available"
> > 
> > ... the thought I had was that if one is in a non-connected environment
> > this is just not visible, _or_ if the political winds of funding shift,
> > this all has the prospect of disappearing.
> > 
> > ===================================
> > 
> > 
> Vindication is mine....
> 
> Well I guess that man page should be rewritten to point at much newer
> information like the latest Fedora pages, SELinux By Example, or just
> google selinux policy.    Which will get you this link and then fail...

The reports are all still available,
http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/docs.shtml

Some of the reports are also included in the selinux-doc package.

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Daniel J Walsh]

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Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:35 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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>> R P Herrold wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>> I think I addressed this possibility with you and you punted.
>>>
>>> -- Russ herrold
>>>
>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=241488
>>>
>>> opened: 2007-05-26
>>>
>>>  -------  Comment #2 From  R P Herrold (herrold@owlriver.com) 2007-06-05
>>> 12:51:59 EDT   (-) [reply] -------
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update
>>>
>>> -- as noted, in comment 1
>>>
>>> "I request that a /usr/share/doc/checkpolicy/ tree be added containing
>>> all the
>>> content below the external link noted, so that it is available"
>>>
>>> ... the thought I had was that if one is in a non-connected environment
>>> this is just not visible, _or_ if the political winds of funding shift,
>>> this all has the prospect of disappearing.
>>>
>>> ===================================
>>>
>>>
>> Vindication is mine....
>>
>> Well I guess that man page should be rewritten to point at much newer
>> information like the latest Fedora pages, SELinux By Example, or just
>> google selinux policy.    Which will get you this link and then fail...
> 
> The reports are all still available,
> http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/docs.shtml
> 
> Some of the reports are also included in the selinux-doc package.
> 
The problem is the Link has made its way into lots of places, most
importantly google, and now the link is gone, and for no apparent reason.

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:54 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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> Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:35 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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> >> R P Herrold wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think I addressed this possibility with you and you punted.
> >>>
> >>> -- Russ herrold
> >>>
> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=241488
> >>>
> >>> opened: 2007-05-26
> >>>
> >>>  -------  Comment #2 From  R P Herrold (herrold@owlriver.com) 2007-06-05
> >>> 12:51:59 EDT   (-) [reply] -------
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the update
> >>>
> >>> -- as noted, in comment 1
> >>>
> >>> "I request that a /usr/share/doc/checkpolicy/ tree be added containing
> >>> all the
> >>> content below the external link noted, so that it is available"
> >>>
> >>> ... the thought I had was that if one is in a non-connected environment
> >>> this is just not visible, _or_ if the political winds of funding shift,
> >>> this all has the prospect of disappearing.
> >>>
> >>> ===================================
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Vindication is mine....
> >>
> >> Well I guess that man page should be rewritten to point at much newer
> >> information like the latest Fedora pages, SELinux By Example, or just
> >> google selinux policy.    Which will get you this link and then fail...
> > 
> > The reports are all still available,
> > http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/docs.shtml
> > 
> > Some of the reports are also included in the selinux-doc package.
> > 
> The problem is the Link has made its way into lots of places, most
> importantly google, and now the link is gone, and for no apparent reason.

It was a complete overhaul of nsa.gov web site - outside of the SELinux
team's control.  I did ask for redirects but they haven't been
forthcoming.  But remember:  it is new and improved, don't let anyone
tell you differently.

http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/press_room/2009/nsa_launches_new_website.shtml

In any event, the content is all still there, just rearranged and renamed.
Making all of the reports available in selinux-doc would likely be a
good idea.

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Justin P. Mattock]

Stephen Smalley wrote:
> On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:54 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>   
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>>> On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 11:35 -0500, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
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>>>>         
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I addressed this possibility with you and you punted.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Russ herrold
>>>>>
>>>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=241488
>>>>>
>>>>> opened: 2007-05-26
>>>>>
>>>>>  -------  Comment #2 From  R P Herrold (herrold@owlriver.com) 2007-06-05
>>>>> 12:51:59 EDT   (-) [reply] -------
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the update
>>>>>
>>>>> -- as noted, in comment 1
>>>>>
>>>>> "I request that a /usr/share/doc/checkpolicy/ tree be added containing
>>>>> all the
>>>>> content below the external link noted, so that it is available"
>>>>>
>>>>> ... the thought I had was that if one is in a non-connected environment
>>>>> this is just not visible, _or_ if the political winds of funding shift,
>>>>> this all has the prospect of disappearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> ===================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Vindication is mine....
>>>>
>>>> Well I guess that man page should be rewritten to point at much newer
>>>> information like the latest Fedora pages, SELinux By Example, or just
>>>> google selinux policy.    Which will get you this link and then fail...
>>>>         
>>> The reports are all still available,
>>> http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/docs.shtml
>>>
>>> Some of the reports are also included in the selinux-doc package.
>>>
>>>       
>> The problem is the Link has made its way into lots of places, most
>> importantly google, and now the link is gone, and for no apparent reason.
>>     
>
> It was a complete overhaul of nsa.gov web site - outside of the SELinux
> team's control.  I did ask for redirects but they haven't been
> forthcoming.  But remember:  it is new and improved, don't let anyone
> tell you differently.
>
> http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/press_room/2009/nsa_launches_new_website.shtml
>
> In any event, the content is all still there, just rearranged and renamed.
> Making all of the reports available in selinux-doc would likely be a
> good idea.
>
>   
Hey. The site looks good.

regards;

Justin P. Mattock

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Re: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Casey Schaufler]

Stephen Smalley wrote:
>
> It was a complete overhaul of nsa.gov web site - outside of the SELinux
> team's control.  I did ask for redirects but they haven't been
> forthcoming.  But remember:  it is new and improved, don't let anyone
> tell you differently.
>   

And it has absolutely nothing to do with the change of administration.
Really.

(smiley goes here)


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RE: What happened to http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ ????

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 22:52 -0800, Kalbfeld, Jonathan R wrote:
> I just figured Karl Rove took SELinux with him and was refusing to give it up.  That should be fixed soon enough.

Ok, folks, let's let this thread die now, please, as it is now
off-topic.

The web site change was in motion long before the change in
administration; the two aren't connected as far as I know.

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