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From: Andy Warner <warner@rubix.com>
To: KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>
Cc: KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>,
	cpebenito@tresys.com, method@manicmethod.com,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, refpolicy@oss.tresys.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Security policy reworks for SE-PostgreSQL
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:39:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49D27F77.4040906@rubix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D27E6C.5000106@kaigai.gr.jp>

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KaiGai Kohei wrote:
>> I am referring to things like:
>>
>> mlsconstrain { db_tuple } { use select }
>>     (( l1 dom l2 ) or
>>      (( t1 == mlsdbreadtoclr ) and ( h1 dom l2 )) or
>>      ( t1 == mlsdbread ) or
>>      ( t2 == mlstrustedobject ));
>>     
>
> I noticed the db_xxx:{use} permission remained here. :-)
>   
The example I used above is from an older version of the reference policy.
>   
>> where t1 == mlsdbread seems to imply an object is trusted to read 
>> strictly dominating objects. Unless I am missing the meaning here, I 
>> would call this a MAC override. I realize there is no concept of a TE 
>> override, but MLS is part of MAC, no? And, this violates B&L rules. This 
>> is something we would control with a Security Administrator "role". Or, 
>> is this mlsdbread something that is impossible to give to a domain in a 
>> DBMS policy?
>>     
>
> It is different from my usage of terms.
> Some of domains are allowed to access the tuple, and others are
> disallowed as the result of access controls using the security
> policy.
>
> I understood the term of "MAC override" to express what actions
> are allowed without any checks based on security policy, as if
> root stuff can ignore DAC checks.
>   
Ya, definitions, definitions :-) Coming from an MLS world, MAC override
meant superseding the B&L policy. In a general sense we use special
authorizations for that (our Security Admin role), while SELinux has a
built in mechanism (mlsdbread)
> Thanks,
>   

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From: warner@rubix.com (Andy Warner)
To: refpolicy@oss.tresys.com
Subject: [refpolicy] [RFC] Security policy reworks for SE-PostgreSQL
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:39:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49D27F77.4040906@rubix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D27E6C.5000106@kaigai.gr.jp>



KaiGai Kohei wrote:
>> I am referring to things like:
>>
>> mlsconstrain { db_tuple } { use select }
>>     (( l1 dom l2 ) or
>>      (( t1 == mlsdbreadtoclr ) and ( h1 dom l2 )) or
>>      ( t1 == mlsdbread ) or
>>      ( t2 == mlstrustedobject ));
>>     
>
> I noticed the db_xxx:{use} permission remained here. :-)
>   
The example I used above is from an older version of the reference policy.
>   
>> where t1 == mlsdbread seems to imply an object is trusted to read 
>> strictly dominating objects. Unless I am missing the meaning here, I 
>> would call this a MAC override. I realize there is no concept of a TE 
>> override, but MLS is part of MAC, no? And, this violates B&L rules. This 
>> is something we would control with a Security Administrator "role". Or, 
>> is this mlsdbread something that is impossible to give to a domain in a 
>> DBMS policy?
>>     
>
> It is different from my usage of terms.
> Some of domains are allowed to access the tuple, and others are
> disallowed as the result of access controls using the security
> policy.
>
> I understood the term of "MAC override" to express what actions
> are allowed without any checks based on security policy, as if
> root stuff can ignore DAC checks.
>   
Ya, definitions, definitions :-) Coming from an MLS world, MAC override
meant superseding the B&L policy. In a general sense we use special
authorizations for that (our Security Admin role), while SELinux has a
built in mechanism (mlsdbread)
> Thanks,
>   
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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-31  8:55 [RFC] Security policy reworks for SE-PostgreSQL KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31  8:55 ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31 10:05 ` Andy Warner
2009-03-31 10:05   ` [refpolicy] " Andy Warner
2009-03-31 13:51   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31 13:51     ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31 15:11     ` Andy Warner
2009-03-31 15:11       ` [refpolicy] " Andy Warner
2009-03-31 20:34       ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31 20:34         ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-03-31 20:39         ` Andy Warner [this message]
2009-03-31 20:39           ` Andy Warner
2009-03-31 20:46           ` Joshua Brindle
2009-03-31 21:08             ` Andy Warner
2009-03-31 21:08               ` [refpolicy] " Andy Warner
2009-04-01 17:05               ` Joshua Brindle
2009-04-01  0:30 ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-01  0:30   ` [refpolicy] " KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-02  8:15 ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-02  8:15   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-02 14:27   ` Joshua Brindle
2009-04-02 15:09     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-04-02 15:09       ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-04-03  1:17       ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-03  1:17         ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-03 18:12         ` Joshua Brindle
2009-04-05  0:52           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-05  0:52             ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-06  2:15         ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-06  2:15           ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-06 18:48           ` SELinux packages version (svn2950) Hasan Rezaul-CHR010
2009-04-06 19:18             ` Joshua Brindle
2009-04-06 19:48               ` Hasan Rezaul-CHR010
2009-04-06 20:14                 ` Joshua Brindle
2009-04-06 20:30               ` Hasan Rezaul-CHR010
2009-04-06 20:37                 ` Joshua Brindle
2009-04-12 23:45           ` [refpolicy] [RFC] Security policy reworks for SE-PostgreSQL KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-12 23:45             ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-20 20:07           ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-04-20 20:07             ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-04-20 23:27             ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-20 23:27               ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-07 12:24               ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-07 12:24                 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-08  3:56                 ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-08  3:56                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-08  4:05                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-08  4:05                     ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-21 11:49                     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-21 11:49                       ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-08  4:12                   ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-08  4:12                     ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-22 13:38                     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-22 13:38                       ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-21 11:28                   ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-21 11:28                     ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-04-21  2:51             ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-21  2:51               ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-05-07 13:08               ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-05-07 13:08                 ` Christopher J. PeBenito
2009-04-03  0:25     ` KaiGai Kohei
2009-04-03  0:25       ` KaiGai Kohei

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