From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
chris.mason@oracle.com, david@fromorbit.com, hch@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, jack@suse.cz,
yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com, richard@rsk.demon.co.uk,
damien.wyart@free.fr, fweisbec@gmail.com, Alan.Brunelle@hp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:55:31 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A51F443.8070402@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1245926523-21959-3-git-send-email-jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Jens Axboe wrote:
> +/*
> + * kupdated() used to do this. We cannot do it from the bdi_forker_task()
> + * or we risk deadlocking on ->s_umount. The longer term solution would be
> + * to implement sync_supers_bdi() or similar and simply do it from the
> + * bdi writeback tasks individually.
> + */
> +static int bdi_sync_supers(void *unused)
> +{
> + set_user_nice(current, 0);
> +
> + while (!kthread_should_stop()) {
> + set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
> + schedule();
> +
> + /*
> + * Do this periodically, like kupdated() did before.
> + */
> + sync_supers();
> + }
> +
> + return 0;
ATM we have one timer for both data and super-block synchronization.
With per-bdi write-back we have:
1. one timer for super blocks
2. many per-bdi timers for data (schedule_timeout() is essentially
using timers).
This is not nice, because each timer is an additional source of
power-savings killers. I mean, it is more power management (PM)
friendly to have less timers and disturb CPU less, make CPU wake
up from retention less frequently.
I do not challange the per-bdi idea at all, but is it possible to
think about a more PM-friendly desing and have one source of
periodic write-back, not many. I mean, could there be one timer
which periodically syncs supers and wakes up the BDI write-back
tasks?
I've just started looking at your work, so I do not have good overall
picture of what's going on, so apologies in advance if I missed
something.
--
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)
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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
chris.mason@oracle.com, david@fromorbit.com, hch@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, jack@suse.cz,
yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com, richard@rsk.demon.co.uk,
damien.wyart@free.fr, fweisbec@gmail.com, Alan.Brunelle@hp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:55:31 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A51F443.8070402@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1245926523-21959-3-git-send-email-jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Jens Axboe wrote:
> +/*
> + * kupdated() used to do this. We cannot do it from the bdi_forker_task()
> + * or we risk deadlocking on ->s_umount. The longer term solution would be
> + * to implement sync_supers_bdi() or similar and simply do it from the
> + * bdi writeback tasks individually.
> + */
> +static int bdi_sync_supers(void *unused)
> +{
> + set_user_nice(current, 0);
> +
> + while (!kthread_should_stop()) {
> + set_current_state(TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE);
> + schedule();
> +
> + /*
> + * Do this periodically, like kupdated() did before.
> + */
> + sync_supers();
> + }
> +
> + return 0;
ATM we have one timer for both data and super-block synchronization.
With per-bdi write-back we have:
1. one timer for super blocks
2. many per-bdi timers for data (schedule_timeout() is essentially
using timers).
This is not nice, because each timer is an additional source of
power-savings killers. I mean, it is more power management (PM)
friendly to have less timers and disturb CPU less, make CPU wake
up from retention less frequently.
I do not challange the per-bdi idea at all, but is it possible to
think about a more PM-friendly desing and have one source of
periodic write-back, not many. I mean, could there be one timer
which periodically syncs supers and wakes up the BDI write-back
tasks?
I've just started looking at your work, so I do not have good overall
picture of what's going on, so apologies in advance if I missed
something.
--
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-06 12:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-25 10:41 [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v12 Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 01/10] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 12:55 ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2009-07-06 12:55 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 13:13 ` Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 13:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 13:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-07 15:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-07 15:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-08 0:57 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2009-07-08 4:47 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-08 4:47 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 03/10] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 04/10] writeback: separate the flushing state/task from the bdi Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 05/10] writeback: support > 1 flusher thread per bdi Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 12:18 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 12:22 ` Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 13:37 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 13:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-06 14:11 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 14:11 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 15:43 ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 06/10] writeback: allow sleepy exit of default writeback task Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 07/10] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 08/10] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 09/10] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 10/10] writeback: use spin_trylock() in bdi_writeback_all() for WB_SYNC_NONE Jens Axboe
2009-06-29 8:43 ` [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v12 Zhang, Yanmin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-31 12:14 [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v14 Jens Axboe
2009-08-31 12:14 ` [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-08-31 12:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-31 17:29 ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-17 11:07 [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v11 Jens Axboe
2009-06-17 11:07 ` [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
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