From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
chris.mason@oracle.com, david@fromorbit.com, hch@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, jack@suse.cz,
yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com, richard@rsk.demon.co.uk,
damien.wyart@free.fr, fweisbec@gmail.com, Alan.Brunelle@hp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:26:28 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A51FB84.3020400@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090706131313.GR23611@kernel.dk>
Jens Axboe wrote:
>> ATM we have one timer for both data and super-block synchronization.
>> With per-bdi write-back we have:
>>
>> 1. one timer for super blocks
>> 2. many per-bdi timers for data (schedule_timeout() is essentially
>> using timers).
>
> That is correct. Note that these exit when they have been idle for a
> while, for embedded and such you could make it more aggressive by
> exiting quicker. The sync_supers should be directly fixable by your
> sb_dirty() stuff.
>
> So I don't think it's a huge change from what we currently have.
>
>> This is not nice, because each timer is an additional source of
>> power-savings killers. I mean, it is more power management (PM)
>> friendly to have less timers and disturb CPU less, make CPU wake
>> up from retention less frequently.
>>
>> I do not challange the per-bdi idea at all, but is it possible to
>> think about a more PM-friendly desing and have one source of
>> periodic write-back, not many. I mean, could there be one timer
>> which periodically syncs supers and wakes up the BDI write-back
>> tasks?
>
> You could replace the schedule_timeout() by a schedule(), and instead
> have a single timer running that would scan the bdi_list and issue the
> kupdated() timed writeback that is the reason it uses schedule_timeout()
> now. Explicitly issued work will manually wake up the per-bdi thread(s).
> That single timer could easily handle waking up bdi_sync_supers() as
> well.
Right. May be the way you decomposed stuff will actually make it easier
to to optimize periodic write-back and teach it not to wake up if
there is no dirt.
And we could as well use rang hrtimers to optimize events grouping.
I'll keep looking at this.
--
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)
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From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind1@gmail.com>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
chris.mason@oracle.com, david@fromorbit.com, hch@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, jack@suse.cz,
yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com, richard@rsk.demon.co.uk,
damien.wyart@free.fr, fweisbec@gmail.com, Alan.Brunelle@hp.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:26:28 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A51FB84.3020400@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090706131313.GR23611@kernel.dk>
Jens Axboe wrote:
>> ATM we have one timer for both data and super-block synchronization.
>> With per-bdi write-back we have:
>>
>> 1. one timer for super blocks
>> 2. many per-bdi timers for data (schedule_timeout() is essentially
>> using timers).
>
> That is correct. Note that these exit when they have been idle for a
> while, for embedded and such you could make it more aggressive by
> exiting quicker. The sync_supers should be directly fixable by your
> sb_dirty() stuff.
>
> So I don't think it's a huge change from what we currently have.
>
>> This is not nice, because each timer is an additional source of
>> power-savings killers. I mean, it is more power management (PM)
>> friendly to have less timers and disturb CPU less, make CPU wake
>> up from retention less frequently.
>>
>> I do not challange the per-bdi idea at all, but is it possible to
>> think about a more PM-friendly desing and have one source of
>> periodic write-back, not many. I mean, could there be one timer
>> which periodically syncs supers and wakes up the BDI write-back
>> tasks?
>
> You could replace the schedule_timeout() by a schedule(), and instead
> have a single timer running that would scan the bdi_list and issue the
> kupdated() timed writeback that is the reason it uses schedule_timeout()
> now. Explicitly issued work will manually wake up the per-bdi thread(s).
> That single timer could easily handle waking up bdi_sync_supers() as
> well.
Right. May be the way you decomposed stuff will actually make it easier
to to optimize periodic write-back and teach it not to wake up if
there is no dirt.
And we could as well use rang hrtimers to optimize events grouping.
I'll keep looking at this.
--
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-06 13:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-25 10:41 [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v12 Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 01/10] writeback: move dirty inodes from super_block to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 12:55 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 12:55 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 13:13 ` Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 13:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2009-07-06 13:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-07 15:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-07 15:27 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-08 0:57 ` Zhang, Yanmin
2009-07-08 4:47 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-08 4:47 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 03/10] writeback: get rid of pdflush completely Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 04/10] writeback: separate the flushing state/task from the bdi Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 05/10] writeback: support > 1 flusher thread per bdi Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 12:18 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 12:22 ` Jens Axboe
2009-07-06 13:37 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 13:49 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-06 14:11 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 14:11 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2009-07-06 15:43 ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:41 ` [PATCH 06/10] writeback: allow sleepy exit of default writeback task Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 07/10] writeback: add some debug inode list counters to bdi stats Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 08/10] writeback: add name to backing_dev_info Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 09/10] writeback: check for registered bdi in flusher add and inode dirty Jens Axboe
2009-06-25 10:42 ` [PATCH 10/10] writeback: use spin_trylock() in bdi_writeback_all() for WB_SYNC_NONE Jens Axboe
2009-06-29 8:43 ` [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v12 Zhang, Yanmin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-08-31 12:14 [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v14 Jens Axboe
2009-08-31 12:14 ` [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
2009-08-31 12:58 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-08-31 17:29 ` Jens Axboe
2009-06-17 11:07 [PATCH 0/10] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v11 Jens Axboe
2009-06-17 11:07 ` [PATCH 02/10] writeback: switch to per-bdi threads for flushing data Jens Axboe
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