From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
"Dike, Jeffrey G" <jeffrey.g.dike@intel.com>,
"Yu, Wilfred" <wilfred.yu@intel.com>,
"Kleen, Andi" <andi.kleen@intel.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] respect the referenced bit of KVM guest pages?
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:15:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A79A1FB.6010406@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A79A16A.1050401@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
>> If so, we could unmap them when they get moved from the
>> active to the inactive list, and soft fault them back in
>> on access, emulating the referenced bit for EPT pages and
>> making page replacement on them work like it should.
>
> It should be easy to implement via the mmu notifier callback: when the
> mm calls clear_flush_young(), mark it as young, and unmap it from the
> EPT pagetable.
You mean "mark it as old"?
>> Your approximation of pretending the page is accessed the
>> first time and pretending it's not the second time sounds
>> like it will just lead to less efficient FIFO replacement,
>> not to anything even vaguely approximating LRU.
>
> Right, it's just a hack that gives EPT pages higher priority, like the
> original patch suggested. Note that LRU for VMs is not a good
> algorithm, since the VM will also reference the least recently used
> page, leading to thrashing.
That is one of the reasons we use a very coarse two
handed clock algorithm instead of true LRU.
LRU has more overhead and more artifacts :)
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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
"Dike, Jeffrey G" <jeffrey.g.dike@intel.com>,
"Yu, Wilfred" <wilfred.yu@intel.com>,
"Kleen, Andi" <andi.kleen@intel.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] respect the referenced bit of KVM guest pages?
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:15:07 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A79A1FB.6010406@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A79A16A.1050401@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
>> If so, we could unmap them when they get moved from the
>> active to the inactive list, and soft fault them back in
>> on access, emulating the referenced bit for EPT pages and
>> making page replacement on them work like it should.
>
> It should be easy to implement via the mmu notifier callback: when the
> mm calls clear_flush_young(), mark it as young, and unmap it from the
> EPT pagetable.
You mean "mark it as old"?
>> Your approximation of pretending the page is accessed the
>> first time and pretending it's not the second time sounds
>> like it will just lead to less efficient FIFO replacement,
>> not to anything even vaguely approximating LRU.
>
> Right, it's just a hack that gives EPT pages higher priority, like the
> original patch suggested. Note that LRU for VMs is not a good
> algorithm, since the VM will also reference the least recently used
> page, leading to thrashing.
That is one of the reasons we use a very coarse two
handed clock algorithm instead of true LRU.
LRU has more overhead and more artifacts :)
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2009-08-05 2:40 [RFC] respect the referenced bit of KVM guest pages? Wu Fengguang
2009-08-05 2:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-05 4:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-05 4:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-05 4:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-05 4:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-05 7:58 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 7:58 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 8:17 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 8:17 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 14:33 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 14:33 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 15:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 15:37 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 14:15 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 14:15 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 15:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 15:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 15:15 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2009-08-05 15:15 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 15:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 15:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-05 16:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 16:35 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 16:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 16:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 17:25 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 17:25 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 15:45 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-05 15:45 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-05 16:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 16:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 16:12 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-05 16:12 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-05 16:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 16:19 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 15:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 15:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-05 17:20 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 17:20 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 17:42 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 17:42 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-06 10:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-06 10:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-06 10:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-06 10:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-06 10:18 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 10:18 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 10:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-06 10:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-08-06 10:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 10:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 11:44 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 11:44 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 13:06 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 13:06 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 13:16 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-06 13:16 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-16 3:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 3:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 3:56 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-16 3:56 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-16 4:43 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-16 4:43 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-16 4:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 4:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 5:59 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-16 5:59 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-17 19:47 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-17 19:47 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-21 18:24 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-21 18:24 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 19:43 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-31 19:43 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-31 19:52 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-31 19:52 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-31 20:06 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-31 20:06 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-31 20:09 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-31 20:09 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-31 20:11 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-31 20:11 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-31 20:42 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-31 20:42 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-06 13:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 13:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 21:09 ` Jeff Dike
2009-08-06 21:09 ` Jeff Dike
2009-08-16 3:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 3:18 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 3:53 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-16 3:53 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-16 5:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 5:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 11:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 11:29 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-17 14:33 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-17 14:33 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 2:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 2:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 4:17 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 4:17 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 9:31 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 9:31 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 9:52 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 9:52 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 10:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 10:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 11:00 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 11:00 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 11:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 11:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 14:03 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 14:03 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-18 16:27 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-18 16:27 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-18 15:57 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-18 15:57 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-19 12:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 12:01 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 12:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-19 12:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-19 12:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 12:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 12:25 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-19 12:25 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-19 13:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-19 13:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-19 13:28 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-19 13:28 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-21 11:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-21 11:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-19 13:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 13:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 13:38 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-19 13:38 ` Minchan Kim
2009-08-19 14:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 14:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 13:13 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-06 13:13 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-06 13:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 13:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-07 3:11 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-07 3:11 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-07 7:54 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-07 7:54 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-07 8:24 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-07 8:24 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-06 13:11 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-06 13:11 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-06 13:08 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-06 13:08 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-07 3:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-07 3:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-12 7:48 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-12 14:31 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-12 14:31 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-13 1:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-13 1:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-13 15:46 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-13 15:46 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-13 16:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-13 16:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-13 16:26 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-13 16:26 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-13 19:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-13 19:12 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-13 21:16 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-08-13 21:16 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-08-14 7:16 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-14 7:16 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-14 9:10 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-08-14 9:10 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-08-14 9:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-14 9:51 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-14 13:19 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-14 13:19 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-15 5:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-15 5:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 5:09 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-16 5:09 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-16 5:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 5:41 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 5:50 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-16 5:50 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 15:57 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-18 15:57 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-17 18:04 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-17 18:04 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-18 2:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-18 2:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-02 19:30 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-09-02 19:30 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-09-03 2:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-03 2:04 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-04 20:06 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-09-04 20:06 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-09-04 20:57 ` Rik van Riel
2009-09-04 20:57 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-18 15:57 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-18 15:57 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-19 12:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 12:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 13:40 ` [RFC] memcg: move definitions to .h and inline some functions Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 13:40 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-19 14:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-19 14:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-19 14:27 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-19 14:27 ` Balbir Singh
2009-08-20 1:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-20 1:34 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-14 21:42 ` [RFC] respect the referenced bit of KVM guest pages? Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-14 21:42 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-14 22:37 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-14 22:37 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-15 5:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-15 5:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-09-13 16:23 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-09-13 16:23 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-08-05 17:53 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 17:53 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 19:00 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-05 19:00 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-05 19:07 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 19:07 ` Rik van Riel
2009-08-05 19:18 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-05 19:18 ` Dike, Jeffrey G
2009-08-06 9:22 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 9:22 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 9:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 9:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 9:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 9:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 9:35 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 9:35 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 9:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 9:59 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 9:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 9:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-08-06 10:14 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-06 10:14 ` Avi Kivity
2009-08-07 1:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-08-07 1:25 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
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