From: Amerigo Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: mohan@in.ibm.com
Cc: michael@ellerman.id.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
tony.luck@intel.com, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, bernhard.walle@gmx.de,
Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Anton Vorontsov <avorontsov@ru.mvista.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch 6/8] powerpc: add CONFIG_KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:59:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A94DD47.4000202@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090825102837.GB14591@in.ibm.com>
M. Mohan Kumar wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 02:23:04PM +0800, Amerigo Wang wrote:
>
>> Michael Ellerman wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 02:55 -0400, Amerigo Wang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Introduce a new config option KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE for powerpc.
>>>>
>>>> Index: linux-2.6/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
>>>> =================================>>>> --- linux-2.6.orig/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
>>>> +++ linux-2.6/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
>>>> @@ -346,6 +346,17 @@ config KEXEC
>>>> support. As of this writing the exact hardware interface is
>>>> strongly in flux, so no good recommendation can be made.
>>>> +config KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE
>>>> + bool "automatically reserve memory for kexec kernel"
>>>> + depends on KEXEC
>>>> + default y
>>>> + ---help---
>>>> + Automatically reserve memory for a kexec kernel, so that you don't
>>>> + need to specify numbers for the "crashkernel=X@Y" boot option,
>>>> + instead you can use "crashkernel=auto". To make this work, you need
>>>> + to have more than 4G memory. On PPC, 256M is reserved, 1/32 memory
>>>> + on PPC64, but it will not exceed 1T/32.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> To be honest I don't see why this logic goes in the kernel. It seems to
>>> me that it's policy how much memory you devote to the crash kernel vs
>>> the production kernel. It depends on what kind of crash kernel you're
>>> loading, a minimal UP dump kernel, or a full-featured SMP behemoth, An
>>> it depends on how much memory you're willing to leave idle in the
>>> off-chance you crash.
>>>
>>>
>> True, but since in the crash kernel, we have very little memory, so
>> probably loading a full-featured SMP kernel doesn't make much sense...
>>
>> And in patch 1/8, I introduced a way to free the reserved memory at
>> run-time.
>>
>>
>>> That aside, I don't see how this will be useful in practice, if it only
>>> works for memory sizes over 4G? Or are we saying that people with less
>>> than 4G don't need crash kernels? If we're not saying that, those users,
>>> or those users' distros, still need to do some logic to work out if they
>>> have < 4GB of memory and if so pick a crash kernel size. So why can't
>>> they pick the size in the > 4GB case also?
>>>
>>>
>> No, we set 4G as a threshold because we only want this work when have
>> have enough memory which is defined as 4G currently... This can be
>> changed to arch-dependent, e.g. ppc. I am very open to this.
>>
>>
>
> So the distro/admin have to use crashkernel=auto for machines having more
> than 4GB RAM and for machines with less than 4GB RAM they have to use the
> crashkernel=x@y (or extended crashkernel syntax)? IMHO it will be nice if
> crashkernel=auto could handle all of the situations.
>
Exactly yes.
As you suggested, I already change 4G to 2G on ppc.
I think I have already explained the reason in a previous email, I just
don't know if '2G - reserved_memory' is safe for ppc or not. What is the
minimum memory size for a normal kernel to run on ppc? And how is it if
I configure PAGE_SIZE > 4K, e.g. 64K?
Thanks!
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Amerigo Wang <amwang@redhat.com>
To: mohan@in.ibm.com
Cc: michael@ellerman.id.au, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
tony.luck@intel.com, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, bernhard.walle@gmx.de,
Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Anton Vorontsov <avorontsov@ru.mvista.com>
Subject: Re: [Patch 6/8] powerpc: add CONFIG_KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:59:19 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A94DD47.4000202@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090825102837.GB14591@in.ibm.com>
M. Mohan Kumar wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 02:23:04PM +0800, Amerigo Wang wrote:
>
>> Michael Ellerman wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 02:55 -0400, Amerigo Wang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Introduce a new config option KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE for powerpc.
>>>>
>>>> Index: linux-2.6/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
>>>> ===================================================================
>>>> --- linux-2.6.orig/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
>>>> +++ linux-2.6/arch/powerpc/Kconfig
>>>> @@ -346,6 +346,17 @@ config KEXEC
>>>> support. As of this writing the exact hardware interface is
>>>> strongly in flux, so no good recommendation can be made.
>>>> +config KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE
>>>> + bool "automatically reserve memory for kexec kernel"
>>>> + depends on KEXEC
>>>> + default y
>>>> + ---help---
>>>> + Automatically reserve memory for a kexec kernel, so that you don't
>>>> + need to specify numbers for the "crashkernel=X@Y" boot option,
>>>> + instead you can use "crashkernel=auto". To make this work, you need
>>>> + to have more than 4G memory. On PPC, 256M is reserved, 1/32 memory
>>>> + on PPC64, but it will not exceed 1T/32.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> To be honest I don't see why this logic goes in the kernel. It seems to
>>> me that it's policy how much memory you devote to the crash kernel vs
>>> the production kernel. It depends on what kind of crash kernel you're
>>> loading, a minimal UP dump kernel, or a full-featured SMP behemoth, An
>>> it depends on how much memory you're willing to leave idle in the
>>> off-chance you crash.
>>>
>>>
>> True, but since in the crash kernel, we have very little memory, so
>> probably loading a full-featured SMP kernel doesn't make much sense...
>>
>> And in patch 1/8, I introduced a way to free the reserved memory at
>> run-time.
>>
>>
>>> That aside, I don't see how this will be useful in practice, if it only
>>> works for memory sizes over 4G? Or are we saying that people with less
>>> than 4G don't need crash kernels? If we're not saying that, those users,
>>> or those users' distros, still need to do some logic to work out if they
>>> have < 4GB of memory and if so pick a crash kernel size. So why can't
>>> they pick the size in the > 4GB case also?
>>>
>>>
>> No, we set 4G as a threshold because we only want this work when have
>> have enough memory which is defined as 4G currently... This can be
>> changed to arch-dependent, e.g. ppc. I am very open to this.
>>
>>
>
> So the distro/admin have to use crashkernel=auto for machines having more
> than 4GB RAM and for machines with less than 4GB RAM they have to use the
> crashkernel=x@y (or extended crashkernel syntax)? IMHO it will be nice if
> crashkernel=auto could handle all of the situations.
>
Exactly yes.
As you suggested, I already change 4G to 2G on ppc.
I think I have already explained the reason in a previous email, I just
don't know if '2G - reserved_memory' is safe for ppc or not. What is the
minimum memory size for a normal kernel to run on ppc? And how is it if
I configure PAGE_SIZE > 4K, e.g. 64K?
Thanks!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-08-26 6:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-08-21 6:54 [Patch 0/8] V4 Implement crashkernel=auto Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` [Patch 1/8] kexec: allow to shrink reserved memory Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-22 0:17 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-22 0:17 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-24 1:36 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 1:36 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-22 1:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-08-22 1:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-08-24 2:02 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 2:02 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` [Patch 2/8] x86: add CONFIG_KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` [Patch 3/8] x86: implement crashkernel=auto Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` [Patch 4/8] ia64: add CONFIG_KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:54 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` [Patch 5/8] ia64: implement crashkernel=auto Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-22 0:24 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-22 0:24 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-22 11:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-22 11:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-24 2:05 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 2:05 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 7:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-24 7:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-08-24 8:21 ` Bernhard Walle
2009-08-24 8:21 ` Bernhard Walle
2009-08-24 10:23 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 10:23 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 1:59 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 1:59 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` [Patch 6/8] powerpc: add CONFIG_KEXEC_AUTO_RESERVE Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 13:44 ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-24 13:44 ` Michael Ellerman
2009-08-24 14:45 ` M. Mohan Kumar
2009-08-24 14:57 ` M. Mohan Kumar
2009-08-25 6:37 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-25 6:37 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-25 10:24 ` M. Mohan Kumar
2009-08-25 10:36 ` M. Mohan Kumar
2009-08-25 6:23 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-25 6:23 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-25 10:28 ` M. Mohan Kumar
2009-08-25 10:40 ` M. Mohan Kumar
2009-08-26 6:59 ` Amerigo Wang [this message]
2009-08-26 6:59 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` [Patch 7/8] powerpc: implement crashkernel=auto Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` [Patch 8/8] doc: update the kdump document Amerigo Wang
2009-08-21 6:55 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-22 0:06 ` [Patch 0/8] V4 Implement crashkernel=auto Andrew Morton
2009-08-22 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-22 0:06 ` Andrew Morton
2009-08-24 1:34 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 1:34 ` Amerigo Wang
2009-08-24 1:34 ` Amerigo Wang
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