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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arndbergmann@googlemail.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Dustin Kirkland <kirkland@canonical.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Michael Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>,
	Adam Litke <agl@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:26:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AF3CF8C.1030408@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AF36DE9.3040803@us.ibm.com>

On 11/06/2009 02:29 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Helpers are really bad.  On launch, I find the fragile and hard to do 
>> proper error handling with (but that's probably just me).  But the 
>> real problem is at runtime, if you have a 16GB guest then you have to 
>> write-protect 4M ptes and then kvm has to tear down or write protect 
>> (not sure which mmu notifier is called) 4M shadow ptes.  Once that's 
>> done, the guest will have to fault its way back; that's at least 4M 
>> exits, around 10 seconds worth of cpu time to execute a couple of 
>> syscalls.
>
>
> FWIW, with large pages, it's only 8k exits which comes out to about 
> 16ms.  If nothing else, it's an argument for the important of 
> transparent large pages.
>

No, it's an argument against fork() of large programs.  Transparent 
large pages are very important for performance, but speeding up fork() 
of large programs is not one of their reasons for existence.

In any case we don't have them yet.  Will you recommend people avoid 
hotplug until we have transparent large pages?  And check that the qemu 
is actually using them (they'll be best effort, not a guarantee) before 
hotplug?

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-06  7:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-04  0:28 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] Add basic version of bridge helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:38   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support toqemu-bridge-helper Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 14:37       ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-05 15:06   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] Add cap reduction support to enable use as SUID binary Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04  0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] Add support for -net bridge Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:49   ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:41   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:45     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:49       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:29       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 17:29   ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-07 22:11     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08  8:27       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-08  8:43         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-08  8:55           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 14:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-09 15:39           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-09 15:43             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-09 19:19               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:23           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 12:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 14:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 15:02     ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 16:02       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 17:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 19:48   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 20:04     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 20:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05  8:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:05           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 22:40 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05  0:52   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05  2:12     ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05  4:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05  8:21   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-06  2:03     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 11:58       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-06 20:26         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-08 11:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:11   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:36   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:46     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 14:53       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:41         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:51           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06  1:53             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:50     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:05       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:50         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:02           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:28               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:37               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:45                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:20                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 17:42                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:02                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 18:11                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 19:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  1:48                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06  7:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 10:54                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 12:42                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  3:44                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 14:19                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  9:14                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07  9:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:07                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07 21:50                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-07 22:12                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08  8:11                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:04                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  0:29                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06  7:26                         ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-11-06 16:09                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07  9:27                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 10:44                               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 11:23                                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 19:35                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:25                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 13:33                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 13:59                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:29         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:11     ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:33       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:58         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:07           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:19             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:06       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:15         ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:25           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:33             ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:50               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16                 ` Scott Tsai
2009-11-05 18:19                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:16                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 18:19                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06  2:17                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:11     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:14       ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:20         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:59         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:20           ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:28             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:35               ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:53                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 17:03                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06  2:08                       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 17:26                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54                       ` Gerhard Stenzel
2009-11-06  2:11             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-11-05 15:14   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:28     ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05 15:06 ` Arnd Bergmann

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