From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arndbergmann@googlemail.com>,
Michael Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>,
Dustin Kirkland <kirkland@canonical.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] Add support for -net bridge
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:20:20 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4AF82524.8080805@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4AF680FD.5050101@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 11/08/2009 12:11 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>
>>> You don't need root privileges to use a tap device.
>>
>> You can access a preconfigured tap device but you cannot allocate a
>> tap device and connect it to a bridge without CAP_NET_ADMIN.
>
> btw, shouldn't we, in the general case, create a bridge per user and
> use IP NAT? If we have a global bridge, users can spoof each other's
> MAC addresses and interfere with their virtual machines.
qemu-bridge-helper supports that model quite well :-) You would create
a NAT'd bridge for each user as the administrator, then create a
bridge.conf that consisted of per-user includes with appropriate
permissions set on each of those files.
> They can also interfere with the real network.
>
> That's not a concern with most one-user-per-machine configurations,
> but the default configuration should be safe.
Let's not kid ourselves, no matter what we do we're giving a user
elevated privileges. Even with NAT, if the host can access the NAT'ed
network, then you can run a privileged service (like NFS) in that
network. Like it or not, some networks rely on privileged services
being trusted as part of their security model (consider NIS).
I think the best we can do is provide a tool that allows an
administrator to grant users additional privileges in the tiniest
increments possible. Putting people in wheel just so they can do
virtualization is too much.
I don't see having an fscap-based helper as creating policy. I see it
as adding a mechanism for administrators to create policy.
--
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-09 14:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-04 0:28 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] Add basic version of bridge helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:38 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support toqemu-bridge-helper Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 14:37 ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-05 15:06 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] Add access control support to qemu-bridge-helper Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-04 0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] Add cap reduction support to enable use as SUID binary Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 0:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] Add support for -net bridge Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 13:49 ` Krumme, Chris
2009-11-04 14:23 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 2:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 17:29 ` David Woodhouse
2009-11-07 22:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08 8:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-08 8:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-08 8:55 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-11-09 15:39 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-09 15:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-09 19:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:23 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-04 12:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] net-bridge: rootless bridge support for qemu Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 14:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 15:02 ` Alexander Graf
2009-11-04 16:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 17:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 19:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 20:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-04 20:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 8:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-04 22:40 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05 0:52 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 2:12 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05 4:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 8:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-06 2:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 11:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-06 20:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-08 11:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-11-05 13:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 14:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 14:46 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 14:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:51 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06 1:53 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:02 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:28 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:37 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 17:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 18:14 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 18:11 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 19:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06 1:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 7:22 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 10:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 12:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07 3:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-06 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07 9:14 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 9:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07 21:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-07 22:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-08 8:11 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 14:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06 0:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-06 7:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 16:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-07 9:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-07 10:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 11:23 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-09 19:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-10 12:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-10 13:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-07 13:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 14:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 15:11 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:07 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 2:19 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 16:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16 ` Scott Tsai
2009-11-05 18:19 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 2:16 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 18:19 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-06 2:17 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:11 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:14 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 15:20 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:20 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 16:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-11-05 16:53 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 17:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-11-05 17:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-06 2:08 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 17:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-11-05 19:54 ` Gerhard Stenzel
2009-11-06 2:11 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-05 15:00 ` [Qemu-devel] " Mark McLoughlin
2009-11-05 15:14 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-11-05 15:28 ` Dustin Kirkland
2009-11-05 15:06 ` Arnd Bergmann
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