From: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org,
"alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
<alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] AlacrityVM guest drivers for 2.6.33
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 11:46:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B2FA655.6030205@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B2FA42F.3070408@codemonkey.ws>
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On 12/21/09 11:37 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 12/21/2009 10:04 AM, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>> No, B and C definitely are, but A is lacking. And the performance
>> suffers as a result in my testing (vhost-net still throws a ton of exits
>> as its limited by virtio-pci and only adds about 1Gb/s to virtio-u, far
>> behind venet even with things like zero-copy turned off).
>>
>
> How does virtio-pci limit vhost-net? The only time exits should occur
> are when the guest notifies the host that something has been placed on
> the ring. Since vhost-net has no tx mitigation scheme right now, the
> result may be that it's taking an io exit on every single packet but
> this is orthogonal to virtio-pci.
>
> Since virtio-pci supports MSI-X, there should be no IO exits on
> host->guest notification other than EOI in the virtual APIC.
The very best you can hope to achieve is 1:1 EOI per signal (though
today virtio-pci is even worse than that). As I indicated above, I can
eliminate more than 50% of even the EOIs in trivial examples, and even
more as we scale up the number of devices or the IO load (or both).
> This is a
> light weight exit today and will likely disappear entirely with newer
> hardware.
By that argument, this is all moot. New hardware will likely obsolete
the need for venet or virtio-net anyway. The goal of my work is to
provide an easy to use framework for maximizing the IO transport _in
lieu_ of hardware acceleration. Software will always be leading here,
so we don't want to get into a pattern of waiting for new hardware to
cover poor software engineering. Its simply not necessary in most
cases. A little smart software design and a framework that allows it to
be easily exploited/reused is the best step forward, IMO.
Kind Regards,
-Greg
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Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-07 18:53 [GIT PULL] AlacrityVM guest drivers for 2.6.33 Gregory Haskins
2009-12-18 21:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-21 15:34 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 15:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 16:04 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 16:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 16:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 16:56 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 17:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 17:24 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 16:46 ` Gregory Haskins [this message]
2009-12-21 17:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 17:44 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 0:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 7:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-22 11:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 15:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 16:01 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-12-22 16:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 6:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-23 10:13 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 10:22 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 12:14 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 12:48 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 17:00 ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 17:20 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 15:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 17:52 ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Peter W. Morreale
2009-12-23 18:17 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 18:22 ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 18:15 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 20:20 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 21:21 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 21:21 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 9:15 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 13:18 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 13:27 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 13:39 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 13:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-28 1:01 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 18:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-23 19:27 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 20:26 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-24 6:58 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-24 20:41 ` Roland Dreier
2009-12-23 13:07 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-12-23 13:31 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 14:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-12-23 14:28 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 14:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 18:31 ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 16:44 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 17:10 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 17:17 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 17:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-23 23:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 17:33 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 20:36 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 21:01 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-24 9:36 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 9:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 13:34 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 13:49 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 14:29 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-24 9:31 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 9:29 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 16:21 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 16:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 17:33 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 17:35 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 21:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 0:02 ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 15:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 15:17 ` Chris Wright
2009-12-22 17:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 20:41 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 7:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-22 7:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-22 17:36 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 18:53 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 18:56 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:15 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:25 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:32 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:37 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:38 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:41 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:43 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:47 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:39 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-12-22 19:53 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 1:05 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-12-23 6:15 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-12-23 15:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 19:54 ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-23 22:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 23:42 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-24 17:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-25 0:38 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-24 4:52 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-12-24 16:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 17:34 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 19:28 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-23 19:50 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-24 10:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
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