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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Haskins <gregory.haskins@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <bzolnier@gmail.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	"alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net" 
	<alacrityvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] AlacrityVM guest drivers for 2.6.33
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:01:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B328535.5040105@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B327F3A.9020101@redhat.com>

On 12/23/2009 10:36 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 12/23/2009 06:44 PM, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>>
>>>   - Are a pure software concept
>> By design.  In fact, I would describe it as "software to software
>> optimized" as opposed to trying to shoehorn into something that was
>> designed as a software-to-hardware interface (and therefore has
>> assumptions about the constraints in that environment that are not
>> applicable in software-only).
>>
>
> And that's the biggest mistake you can make.  Look at Xen, for 
> instance.  The paravirtualized the fork out of everything that moved 
> in order to get x86 virt going.  And where are they now? x86_64 
> syscalls are slow since they have to trap to the hypervisor and 
> (partially) flush the tlb.  With npt or ept capable hosts performance 
> is better for many workloads on fullvirt.  And paravirt doesn't 
> support Windows.  Their unsung hero Jeremy is still trying to upstream 
> dom0 Xen support.  And they get to support it forever.
>
> VMware stuck with the hardware defined interfaces.  Sure they had to 
> implement binary translation to get there, but as a result, they only 
> have to support one interface, all guests support it, and they can 
> drop it on newer hosts where it doesn't give them anything.

As a twist on this, the VMware paravirt driver interface is so 
hardware-like that they're getting hardware vendors to supply cards that 
implement it.  Try that with a pure software approach.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-23 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-07 18:53 [GIT PULL] AlacrityVM guest drivers for 2.6.33 Gregory Haskins
2009-12-18 21:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-21 15:34   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 15:43     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 16:04       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 16:37         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 16:40           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 16:56             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 17:05               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-21 17:24                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 16:46           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-21 17:20             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-21 17:44               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22  0:12                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22  7:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-22 11:49                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 15:31                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 16:01                       ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-12-22 16:21                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23  6:51                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-23 10:13                             ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 10:22                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 12:14                                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 12:48                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 17:00                                     ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 17:20                                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 15:03                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 17:52                                   ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Peter W. Morreale
2009-12-23 18:17                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 18:22                                     ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 18:15                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 20:20                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 21:21                                     ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 21:21                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27  9:15                                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 13:18                                         ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 13:27                                           ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 13:39                                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 13:49                                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-28  1:01                                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 18:51                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-23 19:27                                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 20:26                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-24  6:58                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-24 20:41                                   ` Roland Dreier
2009-12-23 13:07                             ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-12-23 13:31                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 14:08                                 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-12-23 14:28                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 14:57                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 18:31                                 ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 16:44                             ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 17:10                               ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 17:17                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 17:29                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-12-23 23:27                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 17:33                                   ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-23 20:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-23 21:01                                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-12-24  9:36                                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27  9:33                                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 13:34                                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27 13:49                                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-27 14:29                                           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-24  9:31                                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-27  9:29                                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 16:21                       ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 16:27                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-22 17:33                           ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-22 17:35                             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 21:14                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23  0:02                               ` Chris Wright
2009-12-23 15:12                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 15:17                                   ` Chris Wright
2009-12-22 17:05                         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 20:41                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22  7:22                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-22  7:57     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-22 17:36       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 18:53         ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 18:56           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:15           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:25             ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:32               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:37                 ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:38                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:41                   ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:43                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:47                       ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-22 19:40                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-22 19:39             ` Davide Libenzi
2009-12-22 19:53               ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23  1:05                 ` Davide Libenzi
2009-12-23  6:15         ` Kyle Moffett
2009-12-23 15:09           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 19:54             ` [Alacrityvm-devel] " Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-23 22:58               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 23:42                 ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-24 17:09                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-25  0:38                     ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-24  4:52                 ` Kyle Moffett
2009-12-24 16:57                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-23 17:34           ` Gregory Haskins
2009-12-23 19:28             ` Ira W. Snyder
2009-12-23 19:50               ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-24 10:01               ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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