[RFC] duplicate recipes

[RFC] duplicate recipes

[Frans Meulenbroeks]

Below is a list of all recipes that have 5 or more versions.
Guess a lot of these are deadwood.
Proposal is to do some cleaning for these.

Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
- are not the latest version
- are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
- do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE

What do people feel about this?

Frans.

     26 glib-2.0/glib-2.0
     26 gcc/gcc-cross
     25 gcc/gcc-cross-intermediate
     25 gcc/gcc-cross-initial
     25 gcc/gcc
     24 linux/linux
     22 binutils/binutils-cross
     22 binutils/binutils
     18 gcc/gcc-cross-sdk
     16 glibc/glibc
     15 xserver-common/xserver-common
     14 linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers
     14 gtk+/gtk+
     14 binutils/binutils-cross-sdk
     13 xorg-lib/pixman
     12 u-boot/u-boot
     12 mozilla/firefox
     11 networkmanager/networkmanager
     11 gtk-webcore/midori
     11 glibc/glibc-initial
     10 xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg
     10 xorg-driver/xf86-input-evdev
     10 transmission/transmission
     10 pango/pango
     10 linux/linux-omap1
     10 connman/connman
     10 cairo/cairo
     10 bluez/bluez4
      9 xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive
      9 xorg-lib/libx11
      9 xorg-app/xinit
      9 rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode
      9 freetype/freetype
      9 evince/evince
      9 busybox/busybox
      8 xorg-lib/libx11-native
      8 xorg-driver/xf86-video-nv
      8 wpa-supplicant/wpa-supplicant
      8 telepathy/empathy
      8 nautilus/nautilus
      8 matchbox-panel/matchbox-panel
      8 linux/linux-ixp4xx
      8 libgpepimc/libgpepimc
      8 intltool/intltool
      8 gpe-todo/gpe-todo
      8 gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser
      8 gpe-clock/gpe-clock
      8 gnome/libgsf
      8 gnome/libgnomeui
      8 gnome/libgnome
      8 gnome/gnome-keyring
      8 gnome/gnome-desktop
      8 glib-2.0/glib-2.0-native
      8 gimp/gimp
      8 directfb/directfb
      8 apt/apt
      8 alsa/alsa-utils
      8 alsa/alsa-lib
      8 abiword/abiword
      7 xorg-util/util-macros-native
      7 xorg-util/util-macros
      7 xorg-proto/inputproto
      7 xorg-lib/xtrans
      7 xorg-lib/libxfont
      7 xorg-driver/xf86-video-geode
      7 xorg-driver/xf86-input-mouse
      7 udev/udev
      7 uclibc/uclibc-initial
      7 uclibc/uclibc
      7 pulseaudio/pulseaudio
      7 openvpn/openvpn
      7 openssh/openssh
      7 minilite/minilite
      7 mesa/mesa
      7 lirc/lirc-modules
      7 linux/linux-omap
      7 linux/linux-handhelds-2.6
      7 libtool/libtool
      7 libeventdb/libeventdb
      7 intltool/intltool-native
      7 hal/hal
      7 gphoto2/gphoto2
      7 gpe-what/gpe-what
      7 gpe-ownerinfo/gpe-ownerinfo
      7 gpe-conf/gpe-conf
      7 gpe-bluetooth/gpe-bluetooth
      7 gnome/libsoup-2.4
      7 gnome/gnome-panel
      7 gnome/gnome-menus
      7 gnome/epiphany
      7 e2fsprogs-libs/e2fsprogs-libs
      7 avahi/avahi
      6 xorg-proto/xproto-native
      6 xorg-proto/xproto
      6 xorg-lib/libxi
      6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-vmware
      6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-i128
      6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-ati
      6 xorg-driver/xf86-input-keyboard
      6 xorg-app/xdm
      6 xcb/xcb-proto
      6 xcb/libxcb
      6 tzdata/tzdata
      6 scummvm/scummvm
      6 poppler/poppler
      6 patchutils/patchutils
      6 mesa/mesa-dri
      6 libxsettings-client/libxsettings-client
      6 libtool/libtool-native
      6 libtool/libtool-cross
      6 libtododb/libtododb
      6 libgpevtype/libgpevtype
      6 libglade/libglade
      6 kexecboot/linux-kexecboot
      6 hal/hal-info
      6 gphoto2/libgphoto2
      6 gpephone/gpe-applauncher
      6 gpe-filemanager/gpe-filemanager
      6 gnome/libgnomecanvas
      6 gnash/gnash
      6 gdb/gdb-cross
      6 gdb/gdb
      6 freetype/freetype-native
      6 fontconfig/fontconfig
      6 ekiga/ptlib
      6 ekiga/opal
      6 ekiga/ekiga
      6 dri/libdrm
      6 devio/devio-native
      6 devio/devio
      6 asterisk/asterisk
      6 apt/apt-native
      6 acpid/acpid
      6 abiword/abiword-plugins

Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Koen Kooi]

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See my response to your glib proposal

On 28-02-10 21:01, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
> Below is a list of all recipes that have 5 or more versions.
> Guess a lot of these are deadwood.
> Proposal is to do some cleaning for these.
> 
> Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
> - are not the latest version
> - are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
> - do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE
> 
> What do people feel about this?
> 
> Frans.
> 
>      26 glib-2.0/glib-2.0
>      26 gcc/gcc-cross
>      25 gcc/gcc-cross-intermediate
>      25 gcc/gcc-cross-initial
>      25 gcc/gcc
>      24 linux/linux
>      22 binutils/binutils-cross
>      22 binutils/binutils
>      18 gcc/gcc-cross-sdk
>      16 glibc/glibc
>      15 xserver-common/xserver-common
>      14 linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers
>      14 gtk+/gtk+
>      14 binutils/binutils-cross-sdk
>      13 xorg-lib/pixman
>      12 u-boot/u-boot
>      12 mozilla/firefox
>      11 networkmanager/networkmanager
>      11 gtk-webcore/midori
>      11 glibc/glibc-initial
>      10 xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg
>      10 xorg-driver/xf86-input-evdev
>      10 transmission/transmission
>      10 pango/pango
>      10 linux/linux-omap1
>      10 connman/connman
>      10 cairo/cairo
>      10 bluez/bluez4
>       9 xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive
>       9 xorg-lib/libx11
>       9 xorg-app/xinit
>       9 rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode
>       9 freetype/freetype
>       9 evince/evince
>       9 busybox/busybox
>       8 xorg-lib/libx11-native
>       8 xorg-driver/xf86-video-nv
>       8 wpa-supplicant/wpa-supplicant
>       8 telepathy/empathy
>       8 nautilus/nautilus
>       8 matchbox-panel/matchbox-panel
>       8 linux/linux-ixp4xx
>       8 libgpepimc/libgpepimc
>       8 intltool/intltool
>       8 gpe-todo/gpe-todo
>       8 gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser
>       8 gpe-clock/gpe-clock
>       8 gnome/libgsf
>       8 gnome/libgnomeui
>       8 gnome/libgnome
>       8 gnome/gnome-keyring
>       8 gnome/gnome-desktop
>       8 glib-2.0/glib-2.0-native
>       8 gimp/gimp
>       8 directfb/directfb
>       8 apt/apt
>       8 alsa/alsa-utils
>       8 alsa/alsa-lib
>       8 abiword/abiword
>       7 xorg-util/util-macros-native
>       7 xorg-util/util-macros
>       7 xorg-proto/inputproto
>       7 xorg-lib/xtrans
>       7 xorg-lib/libxfont
>       7 xorg-driver/xf86-video-geode
>       7 xorg-driver/xf86-input-mouse
>       7 udev/udev
>       7 uclibc/uclibc-initial
>       7 uclibc/uclibc
>       7 pulseaudio/pulseaudio
>       7 openvpn/openvpn
>       7 openssh/openssh
>       7 minilite/minilite
>       7 mesa/mesa
>       7 lirc/lirc-modules
>       7 linux/linux-omap
>       7 linux/linux-handhelds-2.6
>       7 libtool/libtool
>       7 libeventdb/libeventdb
>       7 intltool/intltool-native
>       7 hal/hal
>       7 gphoto2/gphoto2
>       7 gpe-what/gpe-what
>       7 gpe-ownerinfo/gpe-ownerinfo
>       7 gpe-conf/gpe-conf
>       7 gpe-bluetooth/gpe-bluetooth
>       7 gnome/libsoup-2.4
>       7 gnome/gnome-panel
>       7 gnome/gnome-menus
>       7 gnome/epiphany
>       7 e2fsprogs-libs/e2fsprogs-libs
>       7 avahi/avahi
>       6 xorg-proto/xproto-native
>       6 xorg-proto/xproto
>       6 xorg-lib/libxi
>       6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-vmware
>       6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-i128
>       6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-ati
>       6 xorg-driver/xf86-input-keyboard
>       6 xorg-app/xdm
>       6 xcb/xcb-proto
>       6 xcb/libxcb
>       6 tzdata/tzdata
>       6 scummvm/scummvm
>       6 poppler/poppler
>       6 patchutils/patchutils
>       6 mesa/mesa-dri
>       6 libxsettings-client/libxsettings-client
>       6 libtool/libtool-native
>       6 libtool/libtool-cross
>       6 libtododb/libtododb
>       6 libgpevtype/libgpevtype
>       6 libglade/libglade
>       6 kexecboot/linux-kexecboot
>       6 hal/hal-info
>       6 gphoto2/libgphoto2
>       6 gpephone/gpe-applauncher
>       6 gpe-filemanager/gpe-filemanager
>       6 gnome/libgnomecanvas
>       6 gnash/gnash
>       6 gdb/gdb-cross
>       6 gdb/gdb
>       6 freetype/freetype-native
>       6 fontconfig/fontconfig
>       6 ekiga/ptlib
>       6 ekiga/opal
>       6 ekiga/ekiga
>       6 dri/libdrm
>       6 devio/devio-native
>       6 devio/devio
>       6 asterisk/asterisk
>       6 apt/apt-native
>       6 acpid/acpid
>       6 abiword/abiword-plugins

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Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Sonntag, den 28.02.2010, 21:01 +0100 schrieb Frans Meulenbroeks:
> Below is a list of all recipes that have 5 or more versions.
> Guess a lot of these are deadwood.
> Proposal is to do some cleaning for these.
> 
> Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
> - are not the latest version
> - are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
> - do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE
> 
> What do people feel about this?

As written in your other mail, moving them out of sight (even perhaps in
an own repository) would have my support.

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Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Philip Balister]

On 02/28/2010 03:01 PM, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
> Below is a list of all recipes that have 5 or more versions.
> Guess a lot of these are deadwood.
> Proposal is to do some cleaning for these.
>
> Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
> - are not the latest version
> - are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
> - do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE
>
> What do people feel about this?

No, as noted elsewhere we have no idea who might be using older 
versions. In general, I support people who are actively involved in 
specific recipes, who are familiar with the user base of the recipe in 
cleaning up recipes (including removing old recipes)

I do not support cleaning up recipes for the sake of "cleaning up".

Philip

>
> Frans.
>
>       26 glib-2.0/glib-2.0
>       26 gcc/gcc-cross
>       25 gcc/gcc-cross-intermediate
>       25 gcc/gcc-cross-initial
>       25 gcc/gcc
>       24 linux/linux
>       22 binutils/binutils-cross
>       22 binutils/binutils
>       18 gcc/gcc-cross-sdk
>       16 glibc/glibc
>       15 xserver-common/xserver-common
>       14 linux-libc-headers/linux-libc-headers
>       14 gtk+/gtk+
>       14 binutils/binutils-cross-sdk
>       13 xorg-lib/pixman
>       12 u-boot/u-boot
>       12 mozilla/firefox
>       11 networkmanager/networkmanager
>       11 gtk-webcore/midori
>       11 glibc/glibc-initial
>       10 xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg
>       10 xorg-driver/xf86-input-evdev
>       10 transmission/transmission
>       10 pango/pango
>       10 linux/linux-omap1
>       10 connman/connman
>       10 cairo/cairo
>       10 bluez/bluez4
>        9 xorg-xserver/xserver-kdrive
>        9 xorg-lib/libx11
>        9 xorg-app/xinit
>        9 rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode
>        9 freetype/freetype
>        9 evince/evince
>        9 busybox/busybox
>        8 xorg-lib/libx11-native
>        8 xorg-driver/xf86-video-nv
>        8 wpa-supplicant/wpa-supplicant
>        8 telepathy/empathy
>        8 nautilus/nautilus
>        8 matchbox-panel/matchbox-panel
>        8 linux/linux-ixp4xx
>        8 libgpepimc/libgpepimc
>        8 intltool/intltool
>        8 gpe-todo/gpe-todo
>        8 gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser
>        8 gpe-clock/gpe-clock
>        8 gnome/libgsf
>        8 gnome/libgnomeui
>        8 gnome/libgnome
>        8 gnome/gnome-keyring
>        8 gnome/gnome-desktop
>        8 glib-2.0/glib-2.0-native
>        8 gimp/gimp
>        8 directfb/directfb
>        8 apt/apt
>        8 alsa/alsa-utils
>        8 alsa/alsa-lib
>        8 abiword/abiword
>        7 xorg-util/util-macros-native
>        7 xorg-util/util-macros
>        7 xorg-proto/inputproto
>        7 xorg-lib/xtrans
>        7 xorg-lib/libxfont
>        7 xorg-driver/xf86-video-geode
>        7 xorg-driver/xf86-input-mouse
>        7 udev/udev
>        7 uclibc/uclibc-initial
>        7 uclibc/uclibc
>        7 pulseaudio/pulseaudio
>        7 openvpn/openvpn
>        7 openssh/openssh
>        7 minilite/minilite
>        7 mesa/mesa
>        7 lirc/lirc-modules
>        7 linux/linux-omap
>        7 linux/linux-handhelds-2.6
>        7 libtool/libtool
>        7 libeventdb/libeventdb
>        7 intltool/intltool-native
>        7 hal/hal
>        7 gphoto2/gphoto2
>        7 gpe-what/gpe-what
>        7 gpe-ownerinfo/gpe-ownerinfo
>        7 gpe-conf/gpe-conf
>        7 gpe-bluetooth/gpe-bluetooth
>        7 gnome/libsoup-2.4
>        7 gnome/gnome-panel
>        7 gnome/gnome-menus
>        7 gnome/epiphany
>        7 e2fsprogs-libs/e2fsprogs-libs
>        7 avahi/avahi
>        6 xorg-proto/xproto-native
>        6 xorg-proto/xproto
>        6 xorg-lib/libxi
>        6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-vmware
>        6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-i128
>        6 xorg-driver/xf86-video-ati
>        6 xorg-driver/xf86-input-keyboard
>        6 xorg-app/xdm
>        6 xcb/xcb-proto
>        6 xcb/libxcb
>        6 tzdata/tzdata
>        6 scummvm/scummvm
>        6 poppler/poppler
>        6 patchutils/patchutils
>        6 mesa/mesa-dri
>        6 libxsettings-client/libxsettings-client
>        6 libtool/libtool-native
>        6 libtool/libtool-cross
>        6 libtododb/libtododb
>        6 libgpevtype/libgpevtype
>        6 libglade/libglade
>        6 kexecboot/linux-kexecboot
>        6 hal/hal-info
>        6 gphoto2/libgphoto2
>        6 gpephone/gpe-applauncher
>        6 gpe-filemanager/gpe-filemanager
>        6 gnome/libgnomecanvas
>        6 gnash/gnash
>        6 gdb/gdb-cross
>        6 gdb/gdb
>        6 freetype/freetype-native
>        6 fontconfig/fontconfig
>        6 ekiga/ptlib
>        6 ekiga/opal
>        6 ekiga/ekiga
>        6 dri/libdrm
>        6 devio/devio-native
>        6 devio/devio
>        6 asterisk/asterisk
>        6 apt/apt-native
>        6 acpid/acpid
>        6 abiword/abiword-plugins
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Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Graeme Gregory]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 09:01:45PM +0100, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
> Below is a list of all recipes that have 5 or more versions.
> Guess a lot of these are deadwood.
> Proposal is to do some cleaning for these.
> 
> Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
> - are not the latest version
> - are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
> - do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE
> 
> What do people feel about this?
> 
If you search back in the list this question is asked once every 6 months
ago and the discussion always ends the same. We dont need to blindly delete
old recipes.

Now on to important issues.

If people are looking for something to keep them busy then there are two
important tasks that need to be completed in OE one of them saves hours
on build times, the other makes parsing quicker.

Convert as many -native recipes to BBCLASSEXTEND as possible. Poky has lots
of them done already so this is as simple as copy and test.

Convert recipes to new staging. There have been numerous posts on the list
lately detailing how to do this. This one saves hours in build time.

Graeme

Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Frans Meulenbroeks]

2010/2/28 Graeme Gregory <dp@xora.org.uk>:

> Now on to important issues.
>
> If people are looking for something to keep them busy then there are two
> important tasks that need to be completed in OE one of them saves hours
> on build times, the other makes parsing quicker.
>
> Convert as many -native recipes to BBCLASSEXTEND as possible. Poky has lots
> of them done already so this is as simple as copy and test.

I think BBCLASSEXTEND is very useful.
However last time I tried (2-3 weeks ago) there were still issues with
BBCLASSEXTEND and packaged staging.
Never really got the time yet to dig into it (and also it is quite
time-consuming to create a faulty situation).

Also I've no idea on how to actually verify that the change is ok and
blindly adding
BBCLASSEXTEND = "native"
and removing the -native recipe does not seem wise either.

>
> Convert recipes to new staging. There have been numerous posts on the list
> lately detailing how to do this. This one saves hours in build time.

Have you tried to do it according to the instructions?
If you want to do it according to the instructions given it takes
quite some time per recipe.

Also if you do one thing, it does not say you should not do the other.
I'd say it could be an and-and situation.

Furthermore by cleaning up the recipes it is clear where things need
to be done (so we avoid that someone wastes time on a recipe that is
outdated/obsolete anyway).
(and removing an obsolete recipe + native variant improves the parsing
time twice as much as BBCLASSEXTEND-ing it).

FM

Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Frans Meulenbroeks]

Time for a summary I guess:

original proposal from me:
Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
- are not the latest version
- are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
- do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE

opinions:
Koen: see glib proposal
Mickey: move out of sight or own repo would have my support
Philip: no as we do not know who is using the older versions
Graeme: expressed that there are more important tasks to be done

and in the glib-2.0 cleanup thread:
koen: suggests to clean up after improving the recipes and prefers to
move recipe to obsolete instead of delete it
mickey: move out of sight
graham: comes with more offending case, no opinion on the proposal given
Marcin (on the gcc stuff: "If someone wants one then we have SCM for it."
[note from FM: not sure if this a specific remark on the gcc debian
patches or a generic statement]
khem: moving to recipes/obsolete may not be so bad
Denys: +1 (we already have recipes/obsolete in BBMASK, reduces parse
time, git-mv does preserve history)

and in the recipes/${distro} thread there were also a few comments on this.
Most of these are from the same persons as mentioned above. Only
addition that is related to this thread is:
otavio: in favour of removing (faster parsing)

Seems most people are in favour of remving out of sight:

Counting head's for that variant (assuming that people wo stated that
removal is the best choice are not against moving to an obsolete dir).
in favour: frans, mickey, khem, denys, otavio and perhaps marcin
against: koen, philip
I've ocunted graeme as neutral and graham as no opinion given.

If you feel I misrepresented your position or if I missed your
position, feel free to follow up.

Best regards, frans

(ps: i expect that this concerns some 2000 recipes (out of 8000))

Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Martin Jansa]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:44:48PM +0100, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
> Time for a summary I guess:
> 
> original proposal from me:
> Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
> - are not the latest version
> - are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
> - do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE

I think this rules are quite strict, in first iteration would be enough
to keep only latest from each "major" version

where major version is defined by common-sense (ie first 2 version
number for xorg, but somewhere first number is enough)

ie for xserver-xorg:
../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.2.0.bb
../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.3.0.0.bb
../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.4.2.bb
mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.4.bb
mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.5.1.bb
../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.5.3.bb
mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.7.1.bb
../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.7.4.bb

and update preferred-xorg-versions (1.7.1->1.7.4) and other if needed

> opinions:

JaMa: move older minor versions to obsolete, keep latest for each "major"

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Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Frans Meulenbroeks]

2010/3/10 Martin Jansa <martin.jansa@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:44:48PM +0100, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
>> Time for a summary I guess:
>>
>> original proposal from me:
>> Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
>> - are not the latest version
>> - are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
>> - do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE
>
> I think this rules are quite strict, in first iteration would be enough
> to keep only latest from each "major" version
>
> where major version is defined by common-sense (ie first 2 version
> number for xorg, but somewhere first number is enough)
>
> ie for xserver-xorg:
> ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.2.0.bb
> ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.3.0.0.bb
> ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.4.2.bb
> mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.4.bb
> mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.5.1.bb
> ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.5.3.bb
> mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.7.1.bb
> ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.7.4.bb
>
> and update preferred-xorg-versions (1.7.1->1.7.4) and other if needed
>
>> opinions:
>
> JaMa: move older minor versions to obsolete, keep latest for each "major"

Noted!

(but for my understanding:why do you see it useful to retain old
versions that are not pinned. For xorg, being a complicated and big
thing I can partly understand it, but is there really a point in
keeping old versions of e.g. transmission? (noting that if needed they
can always be recovered from git).

Frans

Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Martin Jansa]

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 09:29:27PM +0100, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
> 2010/3/10 Martin Jansa <martin.jansa@gmail.com>:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:44:48PM +0100, Frans Meulenbroeks wrote:
> >> Time for a summary I guess:
> >>
> >> original proposal from me:
> >> Probably the best scenario is to remove all versions which
> >> - are not the latest version
> >> - are not  pinned with  PREFERRED_VERSION  in conf/distro/*
> >> - do not have the largest DEFAULT_PREFERENCE
> >
> > I think this rules are quite strict, in first iteration would be enough
> > to keep only latest from each "major" version
> >
> > where major version is defined by common-sense (ie first 2 version
> > number for xorg, but somewhere first number is enough)
> >
> > ie for xserver-xorg:
> > ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.2.0.bb
> > ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.3.0.0.bb
> > ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.4.2.bb
> > mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.4.bb
> > mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.5.1.bb
> > ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.5.3.bb
> > mv ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.7.1.bb
> > ../dev/recipes/xorg-xserver/xserver-xorg_1.7.4.bb
> >
> > and update preferred-xorg-versions (1.7.1->1.7.4) and other if needed
> >
> >> opinions:
> >
> > JaMa: move older minor versions to obsolete, keep latest for each "major"
> 
> Noted!
> 
> (but for my understanding:why do you see it useful to retain old
> versions that are not pinned. For xorg, being a complicated and big
> thing I can partly understand it, but is there really a point in

Yes that's where I expect it could be difficult for some machine
maintainer to jump from ie xserver-xorg-1.4.bb directly to 1.7.4, but
moving to 1.4.2 should be quite painless.

But I expect that that even removing some minor version of not so important 
xorg-app can create a bit work, as new one will need ie newer
util-macros and newer util-macros maybe won't work with so old xserver
etc.

> keeping old versions of e.g. transmission? (noting that if needed they
> can always be recovered from git).

There is only one major version of transmission for me 1.x, so there
would be only one latest.

In most places it would be best to ask package maintainer / person who
added most versions to do a cleanup or send him cleaning patch for ack.

There is at least of latest versions with D_P -1 (and enabled for some 
distro) where is maybe D_P not needed anymore and can be removed.

Regards,

-- 
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Jansa Martin                 sip:jamasip@voip.wengo.fr 
JaMa                         

Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Graham Gower]

On 11 March 2010 02:14, Frans Meulenbroeks <fransmeulenbroeks@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've ocunted graeme as neutral and graham as no opinion given.
>
> If you feel I misrepresented your position or if I missed your
> position, feel free to follow up.

I didn't give an opinion because I'm not a committer and it probably
doesn't count. But... I'm in favour of never seeing old recipes again
unless there is a good reason (e.g. specific versions needed for
specific boards).

-Graham

Re: [RFC] duplicate recipes

[Tom Rini]

On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 08:36 +1030, Graham Gower wrote:
> On 11 March 2010 02:14, Frans Meulenbroeks <fransmeulenbroeks@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've ocunted graeme as neutral and graham as no opinion given.
> >
> > If you feel I misrepresented your position or if I missed your
> > position, feel free to follow up.
> 
> I didn't give an opinion because I'm not a committer and it probably
> doesn't count. But... I'm in favour of never seeing old recipes again
> unless there is a good reason (e.g. specific versions needed for
> specific boards).

Also, for specific compatibilities (ie using OE to make stuff that's
compatible with _____ spec or external distribution).

-- 
Tom Rini <tom_rini@mentor.com>
Mentor Graphics Corporation