From: Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
Sukadev Bhattiprolu <sukadev@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Serge Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Linux Netdev List <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Netfilter Development Mailinglist
<netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control.
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 22:12:50 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B956852.7050804@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1sk8ar15b.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org>
Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr> writes:
>
>
>> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>
>>> Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@free.fr> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have take an snapshot of my development tree and placed it at.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/people/ebiederm/linux-2.6.33-nsfd-v5.git
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for the pointer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to boot the kernel under qemu and I got this oops:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am clearly running an old userspace on my test machine. No udev.
>>>>> It looks like udev has a long standing netlink misfeature, where
>>>>> it does not initializing NETLINK_CB....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >From 8d85e3ab88718eda3d94cf8e1be14b69dae2b8f1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>>>>> From: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:25:20 -0800
>>>>> Subject: [PATCH] kobject_uevent: Use the netlink allocator helper...
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> I was able to boot but I have the following warning:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the bug report.
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks to you for the patchset :)
>>
>>
>>> For the moment you might want to drop:
>>> af_netlink: Allow credentials to work across namespaces.
>>> af_netlink: Debugging in case I have missed something.
>>>
>>> Although I am curious if you hit my debugging messages in
>>> netlink recv.
>>>
>>>
>> No, it does not appear (looked for "missing NETLINK_CB proto").
>>
>>
>>> I guess if the goal is to test my nsfd bits you can drop everything
>>> starting with my 'scm: Reorder scm_cookie.' commit. The rest is what
>>> it takes to get get uids, gid and pids translated when the cross
>>> namespaces on an af_unix of an af_netlink socket.
>>>
>>> At least in the af_netlink case it appears clear I am have missed
>>> something.
>>>
>>> This is a warning that netlink throws when the packet accounting messed
>>> up. So it sounds like you are exercising another path that I failed
>>> to exercise and fix.
>>>
>>>
>> I will look forward if I find more clues for this warning.
>>
>> In the meantime was able to enter the container with the ugly following
>> program:
>>
>> #include <unistd.h>
>> #include <stdlib.h>
>> #include <stdio.h>
>> #include <syscall.h>
>> #include <sys/types.h>
>> #include <sys/stat.h>
>> #include <fcntl.h>
>> #include <sys/param.h>
>>
>> #define __NR_setns 300
>>
>> int setns(int nstype, int fd)
>> {
>> return syscall (__NR_setns, nstype, fd);
>> }
>>
>> int main(int argc, char *argv[])
>> {
>> char path[MAXPATHLEN];
>> char *ns[] = { "pid", "mnt", "net", "pid", "uts" };
>> const int size = sizeof(ns) / sizeof(char *);
>> int fd[size];
>> int i;
>>
>> if (argc != 3) {
>> fprintf(stderr, "mynsenter <pid> <command>\n");
>> exit(1);
>> }
>>
>> for (i = 0; i < size; i++) {
>> sprintf(path, "/proc/%s/ns/%s", argv[1], ns[i]);
>>
>> fd[i] = open(path, O_RDONLY);
>> if (fd[i] < 0) {
>> perror("open");
>> return -1;
>> }
>>
>> }
>>
>> for (i = 0; i < size; i++) {
>>
>> if (setns(0, fd[i])) {
>> perror("setns");
>> return -1;
>> }
>> }
>>
>> execve(argv[2], &argv[2], NULL);
>> perror("execve");
>>
>> return 0;
>> }
>>
>> At the fist glance, no problem :)
>>
>
> No fork() so your processes is completely in the pid namespace?
>
What I do is to attach "/bin/sh" to the container with this program.
The container is a VPS running busybox with the full isolation.
echo $$ gives the real pid.
All the forked processes appears in the pid namespace, they are visible
through /proc with the virtual pid.
I am not able to change to the /proc/self directory (I assume this is
normal).
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2010-01-14 14:05 RFC: netfilter: nf_conntrack: add support for "conntrack zones" Patrick McHardy
[not found] ` <4B4F24AC.70105-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-14 15:05 ` jamal
2010-01-14 15:05 ` jamal
2010-01-14 15:37 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-14 17:33 ` jamal
2010-01-15 10:15 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-15 15:19 ` jamal
2010-02-22 20:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m13a0tf17t.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-22 21:55 ` jamal
2010-02-22 21:55 ` jamal
2010-02-22 23:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-22 23:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1wry46es9.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-23 13:27 ` jamal
2010-02-23 14:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-23 14:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1iq9ocafv.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-23 14:20 ` jamal
2010-02-23 14:20 ` jamal
2010-02-23 20:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-23 20:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-23 23:09 ` jamal
2010-02-24 1:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-24 1:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 20:57 ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 21:31 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-02-25 21:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 22:13 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-02-25 22:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B86F5EC.60902-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-25 22:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 20:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1mxyx0yv7.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-25 22:13 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-02-26 20:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B86EC45.3060005-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-25 21:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1pr3t2fvl.fsf_-_-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-25 21:31 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-02-25 21:46 ` Matt Helsley
2010-02-26 1:09 ` Matt Helsley
2010-02-26 3:15 ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control. v2 Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 21:13 ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-26 21:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1bpfbwuze.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 21:34 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-26 21:35 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-26 21:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B883EAF.5020607-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 21:49 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 21:34 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4B883E6F.1060907-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 21:58 ` Oren Laadan
2010-02-26 22:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1zl2vtzg4.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 22:52 ` Oren Laadan
2010-02-26 22:52 ` Oren Laadan
2010-02-26 23:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B885093.4070807-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 23:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B8843FE.4000404-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 22:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27 8:30 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-27 9:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1mxyvrqvk.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27 9:21 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4B88E431.6040609-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27 9:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27 9:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27 16:16 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4B894564.7080104-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27 19:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27 19:08 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1iq9io5sc.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27 19:29 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-02-27 19:29 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4B89727C.9040602-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27 19:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-27 19:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1ljeempk6.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-28 22:05 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-02-28 22:05 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-01 19:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B8AE8C1.1030305-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-01 19:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-01 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-02 15:03 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-03 20:59 ` Oren Laadan
2010-03-01 21:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-02 13:10 ` Cedric Le Goater
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2010-03-02 13:10 ` Cedric Le Goater
2010-03-02 15:03 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-02 15:14 ` Jan Engelhardt
[not found] ` <alpine.LSU.2.01.1003021613570.17303-SHaQjdQMGhDmsUXKMKRlFA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02 21:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-02 21:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B8D28CF.8060304-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02 15:14 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-03-02 21:19 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-03-02 21:19 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20100302211942.GA17816-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-02 22:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-02 22:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1y6iaqsmm.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 0:07 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-03-03 0:07 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
[not found] ` <20100303000743.GA13744-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 0:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-03 0:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1ocj6qljj.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 15:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-03 16:50 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-03 15:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20100303153800.GA937-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 19:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-03 19:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-04 21:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1pr3j92x8.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-04 22:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2010-03-04 22:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
[not found] ` <m13a0hmblr.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-04 21:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-03 16:50 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-03 20:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-05 19:18 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2010-03-05 20:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-06 14:47 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4B926B1B.5070207-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-06 20:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1aaulyy5c.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-06 21:26 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4B92C886.9020507-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 8:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 8:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 16:54 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4B952BBE.6070507-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 17:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 17:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m11vfuvi1t.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 19:57 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 19:57 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4B9556A9.60206-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 20:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 20:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m11vfusgsa.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 20:42 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 20:42 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4B95611C.5060403-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 20:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 20:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1sk8ar15b.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 21:12 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 21:12 ` Daniel Lezcano [this message]
2010-03-08 21:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 21:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-08 22:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <20100308214945.GA26617-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 22:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-09 10:03 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-09 10:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-09 10:26 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <m1ocixn6q3.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-09 10:26 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4B961D09.4010802-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-09 10:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1lje2qzf4.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 21:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-09 10:03 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-10 21:16 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-10 21:16 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4B956852.7050804-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 21:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1fx4bxlfy.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 16:54 ` Daniel Lezcano
2010-03-08 17:07 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-08 17:07 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20100308170719.GD6399-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 17:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-08 17:35 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1pr3eu36u.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-08 17:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-03-08 17:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <4B9158F5.5040205-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-05 20:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m17hptjh3m.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-05 19:18 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4B8E9370.3050300-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 20:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-03 20:59 ` Oren Laadan
2010-03-03 21:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m18wa9glpo.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-27 12:06 ` [Devel] " Enrico Weigelt
[not found] ` <4B8ECD99.3040107-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 21:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1bpfbqajn.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27 16:16 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4B88D80A.8010701-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-27 9:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m13a0nwu6p.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 21:58 ` Oren Laadan
2010-02-27 8:30 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4B883987.6090408-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 21:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-05-27 12:28 ` [Devel] " Enrico Weigelt
[not found] ` <20100527122800.GC31480-q9I3ByPDOfiE+EvaaNYduQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-27 12:44 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <4BFE6938.50607-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-27 15:42 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-25 21:46 ` Matt Helsley
2010-02-25 21:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <20100225214656.GS3604-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-25 21:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 0:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 0:53 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 1:09 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20100226010915.GA20106-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-26 1:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 1:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-26 3:15 ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control. v2 Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m18wagy9f3.fsf_-_-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 20:29 ` Jonathan Corbet
2010-03-03 20:29 ` Jonathan Corbet
[not found] ` <20100303132931.11afb659-vw3g6Xz/EtPk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-03-03 20:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-03-03 20:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-25 20:57 ` [RFC][PATCH] ns: Syscalls for better namespace sharing control Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-23 23:49 ` RFC: netfilter: nf_conntrack: add support for "conntrack zones" Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20100223234942.GO3604-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-24 1:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-24 1:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-02-24 1:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <m18waj2zc8.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-24 1:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <m1r5obbu2w.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-02-23 23:09 ` jamal
2010-02-23 23:49 ` Matt Helsley
2010-02-22 20:46 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <4B50403A.6010507-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-15 15:19 ` jamal
2010-01-15 10:15 ` Patrick McHardy
[not found] ` <4B4F3A50.1050400-dcUjhNyLwpNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-14 17:33 ` jamal
2010-01-14 15:37 ` Patrick McHardy
2010-01-14 18:32 ` Ben Greear
2010-01-15 15:03 ` jamal
[not found] ` <4B4F6332.50606-my8/4N5VtI7c+919tysfdA@public.gmane.org>
2010-01-15 15:03 ` jamal
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