line in recording w/ alsa - suggestions for a snd card?

line in recording w/ alsa - suggestions for a snd card?

[Lars Schotte]

hi folks,
i ve given up on that problems w/ recording because it leads to LQ
recordings in the best case. so does anybody have a suggestion for a
sound card PCI-internal that works w/ ALSA and records HQ from line-in
that can be used for digitalizing?
frankly, as long as it would work money isnt important but on the other
hand it doesnt need to be 192 kHz one for >100 eur. so as long as the
card does record HQ in 44/48 kHz would be perfectly OK and the cheaper,
the better.

thanks.

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Re: line in recording w/ alsa - suggestions for a snd card?

[Alex Austin]

Find an inexpensive card with an ICE1712. The chip is now made by VIA, but
it has excellent analog and digital performance and good ALSA support.

On Apr 1, 2010 8:19 AM, "Lars Schotte" <lars.schotte@schotteweb.de> wrote:

hi folks,
i ve given up on that problems w/ recording because it leads to LQ
recordings in the best case. so does anybody have a suggestion for a
sound card PCI-internal that works w/ ALSA and records HQ from line-in
that can be used for digitalizing?
frankly, as long as it would work money isnt important but on the other
hand it doesnt need to be 192 kHz one for >100 eur. so as long as the
card does record HQ in 44/48 kHz would be perfectly OK and the cheaper,
the better.

thanks.

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Re: line in recording w/ alsa - suggestions for a snd card?

[Lars Schotte]

is ICE 1723 OK too?

On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 07:23:54 -0600
Alex Austin <circuitsoft.alex@gmail.com> wrote:

> Find an inexpensive card with an ICE1712. The chip is now made by
> VIA, but it has excellent analog and digital performance and good
> ALSA support.
> 
> On Apr 1, 2010 8:19 AM, "Lars Schotte" <lars.schotte@schotteweb.de>
> wrote:
> 
> hi folks,
> i ve given up on that problems w/ recording because it leads to LQ
> recordings in the best case. so does anybody have a suggestion for a
> sound card PCI-internal that works w/ ALSA and records HQ from line-in
> that can be used for digitalizing?
> frankly, as long as it would work money isnt important but on the
> other hand it doesnt need to be 192 kHz one for >100 eur. so as long
> as the card does record HQ in 44/48 kHz would be perfectly OK and the
> cheaper, the better.
> 
> thanks.
> 
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> -------------------
> Lars Schotte @ romy
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Re: line in recording w/ alsa - suggestions for a snd card?

[Clemens Ladisch]

Lars Schotte wrote:
> does anybody have a suggestion for a sound card PCI-internal that
> works w/ ALSA and records HQ from line-in that can be used for
> digitalizing?

There aren't that many PCI chipsets.  The CMI8738/8768/8770 chips have
the DACs and ADCs integrated and aren't very good (although the 68/70
are noticeably better).  The ICE1712/1724, CA0106, X-Fi and CMI8788
chips are purely digital and must be combined with separate DAC/ADC
chips, which usually are quite good.

The X-Fi is not supported very well.  The CA0106 is supported, and used
on several cheap Sound Blaster cards, e.g. the SB 5.1 VX.  The ICE1712/
ICE1724 chips are used in many models; see the .h files in
<http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=tree;f=sound/pci/ice1712;hb=HEAD>.
(The "ICE1723" is a low-end model, and I don't know if it's supported at
all).  The CMI8788 is used on the Asus Xonar cards; the D1/DX/D2/D2X/ST/
STX are supported; the DS is partially supported in the latest kernel.


Regards,
Clemens

Re: line in recording w/ alsa - suggestions for a snd card?

[Lars Schotte]

WOW,
thanks for these suggestions and informations a lot, because that saved
me really a lot of trouble.

so from that what you are telling me here I can get the SB 5.1 VX, like
I wrote in the mail to you, and of course the much more expensive Asus
Xonar would be no problem at all.

The ICE1712/1724, I cant get at all and CA0106, I dont know what it is.

so the question now is, which of these two - SB 5.1 VX or Asus Xonar.
I have a debian stable (lenny) w/ 2.6.26 old kernel and I would prefer
if the card were already supported by that kernel, so I dont need to
make any changes to the system any more.

thanks again Clemens, I appreciate your time and awaiting the
definitive suggestion now, so we can solve the problem here.

(I maybe get also some card for me according to these inf. Now I am
doing it for a friend who wants to digitalize a lot of his audio, so
it would be nice to surprise him positively by linux and ALSA and
everything around OSSoft.)

On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 15:47:58 +0200
Clemens Ladisch <clemens@ladisch.de> wrote:

> Lars Schotte wrote:
> > does anybody have a suggestion for a sound card PCI-internal that
> > works w/ ALSA and records HQ from line-in that can be used for
> > digitalizing?
> 
> There aren't that many PCI chipsets.  The CMI8738/8768/8770 chips have
> the DACs and ADCs integrated and aren't very good (although the 68/70
> are noticeably better).  The ICE1712/1724, CA0106, X-Fi and CMI8788
> chips are purely digital and must be combined with separate DAC/ADC
> chips, which usually are quite good.
> 
> The X-Fi is not supported very well.  The CA0106 is supported, and
> used on several cheap Sound Blaster cards, e.g. the SB 5.1 VX.  The
> ICE1712/ ICE1724 chips are used in many models; see the .h files in
> <http://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-kernel.git;a=tree;f=sound/pci/ice1712;hb=HEAD>.
> (The "ICE1723" is a low-end model, and I don't know if it's supported
> at all).  The CMI8788 is used on the Asus Xonar cards; the
> D1/DX/D2/D2X/ST/ STX are supported; the DS is partially supported in
> the latest kernel.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clemens
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Re: line in recording w/ alsa - suggestions for a snd card?

[Clemens Ladisch]

Lars Schotte wrote:
> CA0106 is supported, but I looked at the website and there is:
> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-Creative_Labs
> CA0106
> 	Details 	[PCI] Digital/Analog input does not work yet.
> 	Needs more development work. 
> 
> so ... that seems like line in doesnt work yet, but on the unofficial
> http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Ca0106
> is "
> Capture from MIC an LINE IN input. 
> "
> so looks like that already works, but maybe recently.

The opensrc.org entry is newer.

However, the snd-ca0106 driver doesn't know the VX model; there are
reports that playback on the VX does not work at all (white noise)
unless the card was initialized by the Windows driver, then rebooted
into Linux.

> so the question now is, which of these two - SB 5.1 VX or Asus Xonar.
> I have a debian stable (lenny) w/ 2.6.26 old kernel and I would prefer
> if the card were already supported by that kernel, so I dont need to
> make any changes to the system any more.

The Xonar D1 has a not-buggy driver since 2.6.27.  I don't know Debian,
but it looks as if newer backported kernels are available.


HTH
Clemens