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From: Robert Hancock <hancockrwd-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern-nwvwT67g6+6dFdvTe/nMLpVzexx5G7lz@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Daniel Mack <daniel-rDUAYElUppE@public.gmane.org>,
	Greg KH <greg-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Pedro Ribeiro <pedrib-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org,
	Greg KH <gregkh-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	alsa-devel-K7yf7f+aM1XWsZ/bQMPhNw@public.gmane.org,
	linux-usb-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: USB transfer_buffer allocations on 64bit systems
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:59:26 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BBD1C5E.4050906@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004071452560.5760-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>

On 04/07/2010 01:13 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>
>>> Ok, I'll write some dummies for usb_malloc() and usb_zalloc() which
>>> will just call kmalloc() with GFP_DMA32 for now.
>>
>> Can't we provide only zalloc() variant?  Zero'ing doesn't cost much,
>> and the buffer allocation shouldn't be called too often.
>
> Linus specifically requested us to avoid using kzalloc in usbfs.  I
> can't find the message in the email archives, but Greg KH should be
> able to confirm it.
>
> As long as we're imitating kmalloc for one use, we might as well make
> it available to all.
>
>>> And while at it,
>>> usb_alloc_buffer() will be renamed to usb_alloc_consistent().
>>
>> Most of recent functions are named with "coherent".
>
> Yes, the terminology got a little confused between the PCI and DMA
> realms.  I agree, "coherent" is better.
>
> BTW, although some EHCI controllers may support 64-bit DMA, the driver
> contains this:
>
> 	if (HCC_64BIT_ADDR(hcc_params)) {
> 		ehci_writel(ehci, 0,&ehci->regs->segment);
> #if 0
> // this is deeply broken on almost all architectures
> 		if (!dma_set_mask(hcd->self.controller, DMA_BIT_MASK(64)))
> 			ehci_info(ehci, "enabled 64bit DMA\n");
> #endif
> 	}
>
> I don't know if the comment is still true, but until the "#if 0" is
> removed, ehci-hcd won't make use of 64-bit DMA.

The comment is wrong (or at least outdated or based on an incorrect 
assumption), but you're right, currently 64-bit DMA is not used on any 
EHCI controllers. It could be, but it sounded like the consensus was it 
wasn't worth the risk. Apparently Windows 7 started using it, and then 
had to put out a patch because some NVidia EHCI controllers indicated 
64-bit support but it didn't work properly. So you'd have to blacklist 
those controllers, at least.
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From: Robert Hancock <hancockrwd@gmail.com>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Daniel Mack <daniel@caiaq.de>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Pedro Ribeiro <pedrib@gmail.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: USB transfer_buffer allocations on 64bit systems
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:59:26 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BBD1C5E.4050906@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004071452560.5760-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On 04/07/2010 01:13 PM, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>
>>> Ok, I'll write some dummies for usb_malloc() and usb_zalloc() which
>>> will just call kmalloc() with GFP_DMA32 for now.
>>
>> Can't we provide only zalloc() variant?  Zero'ing doesn't cost much,
>> and the buffer allocation shouldn't be called too often.
>
> Linus specifically requested us to avoid using kzalloc in usbfs.  I
> can't find the message in the email archives, but Greg KH should be
> able to confirm it.
>
> As long as we're imitating kmalloc for one use, we might as well make
> it available to all.
>
>>> And while at it,
>>> usb_alloc_buffer() will be renamed to usb_alloc_consistent().
>>
>> Most of recent functions are named with "coherent".
>
> Yes, the terminology got a little confused between the PCI and DMA
> realms.  I agree, "coherent" is better.
>
> BTW, although some EHCI controllers may support 64-bit DMA, the driver
> contains this:
>
> 	if (HCC_64BIT_ADDR(hcc_params)) {
> 		ehci_writel(ehci, 0,&ehci->regs->segment);
> #if 0
> // this is deeply broken on almost all architectures
> 		if (!dma_set_mask(hcd->self.controller, DMA_BIT_MASK(64)))
> 			ehci_info(ehci, "enabled 64bit DMA\n");
> #endif
> 	}
>
> I don't know if the comment is still true, but until the "#if 0" is
> removed, ehci-hcd won't make use of 64-bit DMA.

The comment is wrong (or at least outdated or based on an incorrect 
assumption), but you're right, currently 64-bit DMA is not used on any 
EHCI controllers. It could be, but it sounded like the consensus was it 
wasn't worth the risk. Apparently Windows 7 started using it, and then 
had to put out a patch because some NVidia EHCI controllers indicated 
64-bit support but it didn't work properly. So you'd have to blacklist 
those controllers, at least.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-04-07 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-07  9:06 USB transfer_buffer allocations on 64bit systems Daniel Mack
2010-04-07  9:06 ` Daniel Mack
     [not found] ` <p2g581ef6d61004070220z1153d40ez955b356e01220848@mail.gmail.com>
2010-04-07  9:26   ` USB HID gadget driver (was: Re: USB transfer_buffer allocations on 64bit systems) Daniel Mack
2010-04-07  9:26     ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 14:59 ` USB transfer_buffer allocations on 64bit systems Alan Stern
2010-04-07 14:59   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 15:11   ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 15:11     ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 15:31     ` Greg KH
2010-04-07 15:31       ` Greg KH
2010-04-07 15:35       ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 15:35         ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 15:51         ` Greg KH
2010-04-07 15:51           ` Greg KH
     [not found]           ` <20100407155122.GA13974-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-07 16:04             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 16:04               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08  6:09         ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]           ` <201004080809.11756.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-08 11:07             ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-08 11:07               ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 15:55       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 15:55         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 16:16         ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 16:16           ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 16:47           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 16:47             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 17:55           ` Takashi Iwai
2010-04-07 17:55             ` Takashi Iwai
2010-04-07 17:59             ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 17:59               ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 18:06               ` Takashi Iwai
2010-04-07 18:06                 ` Takashi Iwai
2010-04-07 19:13             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 19:13               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08  0:33               ` Greg KH
2010-04-08  0:33                 ` Greg KH
2010-04-09  0:01                 ` Robert Hancock
     [not found]                   ` <4BBE6E57.6020600-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 16:50                     ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-09 16:50                       ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-09 23:38                       ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-09 23:38                         ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-10  8:34                         ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-10  8:34                           ` [alsa-devel] " Daniel Mack
2010-04-10 17:02                           ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-12 18:56                             ` Sarah Sharp
2010-04-12 20:39                               ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-12 20:39                                 ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-12 20:58                                 ` Sarah Sharp
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004071452560.5760-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-07 23:59                 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2010-04-07 23:59                   ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-12 11:17                 ` [PATCH] USB: rename usb_buffer_alloc() and usb_buffer_free() Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 11:17                   ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                   ` <1271071045-3112-1-git-send-email-daniel-rDUAYElUppE@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-13 18:16                     ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-13 18:16                       ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                       ` <20100413181631.GT30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-13 19:27                         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-13 19:27                           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-13 20:26                           ` Greg KH
2010-04-13 21:47                             ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-13 21:47                               ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 17:52         ` USB transfer_buffer allocations on 64bit systems Takashi Iwai
2010-04-07 17:52           ` Takashi Iwai
2010-04-07 15:46     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-07 15:46       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08  6:12       ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]         ` <201004080812.04419.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-08 16:59           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08 16:59             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08 21:24             ` Oliver Neukum
2010-04-08 22:20               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08 22:20                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09  6:04                 ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                   ` <201004090804.36213.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 14:41                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 14:41                       ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                       ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004091033150.1852-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 14:50                         ` Oliver Neukum
2010-04-09 14:50                           ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                           ` <201004091650.31488.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 15:15                             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 15:15                               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                               ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004091114500.1852-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 20:51                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2010-04-09 20:51                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2010-04-09 21:21                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 21:21                                     ` Alan Stern
     [not found]   ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004071036060.1779-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-07 16:54     ` Oliver Neukum
2010-04-07 16:54       ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]       ` <201004071854.55530.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-07 17:00         ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 17:00           ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-07 23:55     ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-07 23:55       ` Robert Hancock
     [not found]       ` <4BBD1B6F.3000205-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-08  2:10         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08  2:10           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08  7:30           ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-08  7:30             ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]             ` <20100408073041.GO30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-08 16:57               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08 16:57                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-08 17:17                 ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-08 18:17                   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004081245330.1720-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-08 23:13                   ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-08 23:13                     ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-09 16:01                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 16:01                       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 18:09                       ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                         ` <20100409180942.GK30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 18:19                           ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-09 18:19                             ` Pedro Ribeiro
     [not found]                             ` <w2r74fd948d1004091119j9f33d8a6kc1824d9243abf38b-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 19:34                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 19:34                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 20:14                                 ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-09 20:14                                   ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1004091529240.1852-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 20:25                                   ` [LKML] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-04-09 20:25                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
     [not found]                                     ` <20100409202533.GA8983-6K5HmflnPlqSPmnEAIUT9EEOCMrvLtNR@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-09 21:23                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 21:23                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-09 22:11                                         ` Robert Hancock
2010-04-12 10:48                                           ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 10:48                                             ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 12:06                                             ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-10 12:49                             ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-10 12:49                               ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                               ` <20100410124912.GP30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-10 13:21                                 ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-10 13:21                                   ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-12  8:59   ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12  8:59     ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 11:14     ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 11:14       ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]       ` <20100412111439.GU30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-12 11:53         ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 11:53           ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 12:11           ` Pedro Ribeiro
     [not found]             ` <q2z74fd948d1004120511hebf19eaauc41ee9ed25dea19e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-12 12:12               ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 12:12                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 12:32                 ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 12:47                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 12:54                     ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 12:54                       ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 15:43                       ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]                         ` <20100412154323.GP18855-qrUzlfsMFqo/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-12 16:17                           ` Alan Stern
2010-04-12 16:17                             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-12 16:29                             ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 16:57                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-12 16:57                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-12 17:15                                 ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 17:15                                   ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                   ` <20100412171507.GB30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-12 17:22                                     ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 17:22                                       ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-12 17:56                                       ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 17:56                                         ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-12 17:52                                     ` [LKML] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-04-12 17:52                                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-04-13 18:22                                 ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-13 18:22                                   ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                   ` <20100413182233.GR30807-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-13 23:46                                     ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-13 23:46                                       ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 10:09                                       ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-14 10:09                                         ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-14 10:47                                         ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 11:02                                           ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 13:18                                           ` [LKML] " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
     [not found]                                           ` <t2w74fd948d1004140347k3447bffapb73856eacddfde55-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-14 14:08                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-04-14 14:08                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-14 16:36                                               ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-14 16:36                                                 ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                                 ` <20100414163637.GV30807-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-04-14 17:21                                                   ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 17:21                                                     ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 18:23                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-14 18:27                                                       ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 18:53                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-04-15  7:35                                                     ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-15  7:35                                                       ` Daniel Mack
2010-04-14 18:15                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-04-14 18:36                                                   ` David Woodhouse
2010-04-14 21:12                                                     ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 22:25                                                       ` Chris Wright
2010-04-14 22:56                                                         ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-14 23:37                                                           ` Chris Wright
2010-04-15  1:20                                                             ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-15 15:20                                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-04-20  0:16                                                                 ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-05-07  7:48                                                                   ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-07  7:48                                                                     ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-07  9:47                                                                     ` Clemens Ladisch
2010-05-07  9:47                                                                       ` [alsa-devel] " Clemens Ladisch
2010-05-07 10:24                                                                       ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-07 10:24                                                                         ` [alsa-devel] " Daniel Mack
2010-05-07 14:51                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07 14:51                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-10  2:50                                                                           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-05-10  9:21                                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2010-05-10  9:21                                                                               ` [alsa-devel] " David Woodhouse
     [not found]                                                                               ` <1273483265.372.3383.camel-uXGAPMMVk8bAQYKIod7YupZV94DADvEd@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-10 14:58                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-10 14:58                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                                   ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1005101049100.1626-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-11  1:06                                                                                     ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-05-11  1:06                                                                                       ` FUJITA Tomonori
     [not found]                                                                                       ` <20100511100637D.fujita.tomonori-Zyj7fXuS5i5L9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-11 14:00                                                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11 14:00                                                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11 14:22                                                                                           ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-05-11 14:24                                                                                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-05-11 14:38                                                                                             ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-05-11 15:04                                                                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11 15:04                                                                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11 15:34                                                                                                 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2010-05-11 16:06                                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11 16:09                                                                                                     ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-11 16:48                                                                                                     ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-05-11 17:10                                                                                                       ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-11 17:32                                                                                                         ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-05-11 17:38                                                                                                           ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-12 23:50                                                                                                             ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-05-13  9:36                                                                                                               ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-14  0:17                                                                                                                 ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-05-11 14:57                                                                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-05-11 15:05                                                                                               ` Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                                                         ` <20100507102408.GM30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-10 14:31                                                                           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-05-10 14:31                                                                             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
     [not found]                                                                       ` <4BE3E1B9.5020602-P6GI/4k7KOmELgA04lAiVw@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-07 11:42                                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2010-05-07 11:42                                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                                                           ` <201005071342.34923.oneukum-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-07 11:47                                                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2010-05-07 11:47                                                                               ` Oliver Neukum
2010-05-07 11:58                                                                               ` Daniel Mack
2010-05-07 11:58                                                                                 ` [alsa-devel] " Daniel Mack
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <20100507115810.GN30801-ahpEBR4enfnCULTFXS99ULNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-07 14:45                                                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-05-07 14:45                                                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-14 18:38                                                   ` Chris Wright
2010-04-14 20:29                                                     ` Alan Stern
2010-04-14 21:01                                                       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2010-04-14 21:12                                                         ` Pedro Ribeiro
2010-04-15  1:50                                                           ` Alan Stern

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