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From: Taras Glek <tglek@mozilla.com>
To: drepper@gmail.com
Cc: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Downsides to madvise/fadvise(willneed) for application startup
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:46:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BC2A58A.7070801@mozilla.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <g7wssj9j6ukus9yti3UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/11/2010 09:43 PM, drepper@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 19:27, Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com> 
> wrote:
>> Yes, every binary/library starts with this 512b read.  It is requested
>> by ld.so/ld-linux.so, and will trigger a 4-page readahead. This is not
>> good readahead. I wonder if ld.so can switch to mmap read for the
>> first read, in order to trigger a larger 128kb readahead.
>
> We first need to know the sizes of the segments and their location in 
> the binary.  The binaries we use now are somewhat well laid out.  The 
> read-only segment starts at offset 0 etc.  But this doesn't have to be 
> the case.  The dynamic linker has to be generic.  Also, even if we 
> start mapping at offset zero, now much to map?  The file might contain 
> debug info which must not be mapped.  Therefore the first read loads 
> enough of the headers to make all of the decisions.  Yes, we could do 
> a mmap of one page instead of the read.  But that's more expansive in 
> general, isn't it?
Can this not be cached for prelinked files? I think it is reasonable to 
optimize the gnu dynamic linker to optimize for an optimal layout 
produced by gnu tools of the same generation.

Taras

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From: Taras Glek <tglek@mozilla.com>
To: drepper@gmail.com
Cc: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Downsides to madvise/fadvise(willneed) for application startup
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:46:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4BC2A58A.7070801@mozilla.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <g7wssj9j6ukus9yti3UYAxe124vaj_firegpg@mail.gmail.com>

On 04/11/2010 09:43 PM, drepper@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 19:27, Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com> 
> wrote:
>> Yes, every binary/library starts with this 512b read.  It is requested
>> by ld.so/ld-linux.so, and will trigger a 4-page readahead. This is not
>> good readahead. I wonder if ld.so can switch to mmap read for the
>> first read, in order to trigger a larger 128kb readahead.
>
> We first need to know the sizes of the segments and their location in 
> the binary.  The binaries we use now are somewhat well laid out.  The 
> read-only segment starts at offset 0 etc.  But this doesn't have to be 
> the case.  The dynamic linker has to be generic.  Also, even if we 
> start mapping at offset zero, now much to map?  The file might contain 
> debug info which must not be mapped.  Therefore the first read loads 
> enough of the headers to make all of the decisions.  Yes, we could do 
> a mmap of one page instead of the read.  But that's more expansive in 
> general, isn't it?
Can this not be cached for prelinked files? I think it is reasonable to 
optimize the gnu dynamic linker to optimize for an optimal layout 
produced by gnu tools of the same generation.

Taras

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-04-12  4:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-05 22:43 Downsides to madvise/fadvise(willneed) for application startup Taras Glek
2010-04-05 23:17 ` Dave Chinner
2010-04-05 23:52 ` Roland Dreier
2010-04-06 22:09   ` Taras Glek
2010-04-06  9:51 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-06  9:51   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-06 21:57   ` Taras Glek
2010-04-06 21:57     ` Taras Glek
2010-04-06 22:26     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-06 22:26       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-04-06 22:39       ` Taras Glek
2010-04-06 22:39         ` Taras Glek
2010-04-07  2:24   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  2:24     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  2:54     ` Taras Glek
2010-04-07  2:54       ` Taras Glek
2010-04-07  4:06       ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  4:06         ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  7:14         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  7:14           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  7:33           ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  7:33             ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  7:47             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  7:47               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  8:06               ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  8:06                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-07  8:13                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  8:13                   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  7:38       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-07  7:38         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-08 17:44         ` Taras Glek
2010-04-08 17:44           ` Taras Glek
2010-04-12  2:27           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  2:27             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  3:25             ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-12  3:25               ` Minchan Kim
2010-04-12  4:58               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  4:58                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  4:43             ` drepper
2010-04-12  4:46               ` Taras Glek [this message]
2010-04-12  4:46                 ` Taras Glek
2010-04-12  4:50               ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  4:50                 ` Wu Fengguang
2010-04-12  8:50 ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-15 22:53 ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-15 23:21   ` Zan Lynx
2010-04-15 20:42     ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-16 11:41     ` Andi Kleen
2010-04-16 12:23       ` Theodore Tso
2010-04-16 12:23       ` Theodore Tso
2010-04-16  0:41   ` Taras Glek
2010-04-15 22:21     ` Andrew Morton
2010-04-16  2:37       ` Taras Glek
2010-04-16 11:40   ` Andi Kleen

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