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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@gmail.com, mjt@tls.msk.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	hch@lst.de
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes"
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:14:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C74C2F3.9050506@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C73CF8D.5060405@codemonkey.ws>

  On 08/24/2010 04:56 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> One doesn't follow from the other (though I'm no fan of internal 
>> snapshots, myself).
>
>
> It does.  Let's consider the failure scenarios:
>
> 1) guest submits write request
> 2) allocate extent
> 3) write data to disk (a)
> 4) write (a) completes
> 5) update reference count table for new extent (b)
> 6) write (b) completes
> 7) write extent table (c)
> 8) write (c) completes
> 9) complete guest write request
>
> If this all happened in order and we lost power, the worst case error 
> is that we leak a block which isn't terrible.
>
> But we're not guaranteed that this happens in order.
>
> If (b) or (c) happen before (a), then the image is not corrupted but 
> data gets lost.  That's okay because it's part of the guest contract.
>
> If (c) happens before (b), then we've created an extent that's 
> attached to a table with a zero reference count.  This is a corrupt 
> image.
>

If the only issue is new block allocation, it can be easily solved.  
Instead of allocating exactly the needed amount of blocks, allocate a 
large extent and hold them in memory.  The next allocation can then be 
filled from memory, so the allocation sync is amortized over many 
blocks.  A power fail will leak the preallocated blocks, losing some 
megabytes of address space, but not real disk space.


> Let's consider if we eliminate the reference count table which means 
> eliminating internal snapshots.
>
> 1) guest submits write request
> 2) allocate extent
> 3) write data to disk (a)
> 4) write (a) completes
> 5) write extent table (c)
> 6) write (c) completes
> 7) complete guest write request
>
> If this all happens in order and we lose power, we just leak a block.  
> It means we need a periodic fsck.
>
> If (c) completes before (a), then it means that the image is not 
> corrupted but data gets lost.  This is okay based on the guest contract.
>
> And that's it.  There is no scenario where the disk is corrupted.

_if_ that's the only failure mode.


-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-25  7:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-24 10:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes" Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 11:06   ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 11:40   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:56     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:12         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:18           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:21             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:27               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:35                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:53                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:21     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 12:23       ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 12:48 ` Juan Quintela
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:16   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:35         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:39           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:44               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:56                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25  7:14                   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-08-25 12:46                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:07                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:23                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:42                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:14                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:06                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 15:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:21                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:46                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:19                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:26                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:49                             ` Daniel P. Berrange

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