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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@gmail.com, mjt@tls.msk.ru, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	hch@lst.de
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes"
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:46:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C7510C1.8080305@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C74C2F3.9050506@redhat.com>

On 08/25/2010 02:14 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> If (c) happens before (b), then we've created an extent that's 
>> attached to a table with a zero reference count.  This is a corrupt 
>> image.
>>
>
>
> If the only issue is new block allocation, it can be easily solved.

Technically, I believe there are similar issues around creating 
snapshots but I don't think we care.

>   Instead of allocating exactly the needed amount of blocks, allocate 
> a large extent and hold them in memory.

So you're suggesting that we allocate a bunch of blocks, update the ref 
count table so that they are seen as allocated even though they aren't 
attached to an l1 table?

>   The next allocation can then be filled from memory, so the 
> allocation sync is amortized over many blocks.  A power fail will leak 
> the preallocated blocks, losing some megabytes of address space, but 
> not real disk space.

It's a clever idea, but it would lose real disk space which is probably 
not a huge issue.

>> Let's consider if we eliminate the reference count table which means 
>> eliminating internal snapshots.
>>
>> 1) guest submits write request
>> 2) allocate extent
>> 3) write data to disk (a)
>> 4) write (a) completes
>> 5) write extent table (c)
>> 6) write (c) completes
>> 7) complete guest write request
>>
>> If this all happens in order and we lose power, we just leak a 
>> block.  It means we need a periodic fsck.
>>
>> If (c) completes before (a), then it means that the image is not 
>> corrupted but data gets lost.  This is okay based on the guest contract.
>>
>> And that's it.  There is no scenario where the disk is corrupted.
>
> _if_ that's the only failure mode.

If we had another disk format that only supported growth and metadata 
for a backing file, can you think of another failure scenario?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-25 12:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-24 10:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC][STABLE 0.13] Revert "qcow2: Use bdrv_(p)write_sync for metadata writes" Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:02 ` [Qemu-devel] " Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 11:06   ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 11:40   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 11:56     ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:12         ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:18           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:21             ` Alexander Graf
2010-08-24 12:27               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:35                 ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 12:53                     ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 12:21     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2010-08-24 12:23       ` Michael Tokarev
2010-08-24 12:48 ` Juan Quintela
2010-08-24 13:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:16   ` Kevin Wolf
2010-08-24 13:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:31       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:35         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:39           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:40             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-24 13:44               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-24 13:56                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25  7:14                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 12:46                     ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2010-08-25 13:07                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:37                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:23                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 13:42                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:00                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:14                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:36                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:06                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 15:15                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 15:21                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 13:46                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:03                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:19                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-25 14:18                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-08-25 14:26                           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-25 14:49                             ` Daniel P. Berrange

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