Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

[Dan Magenheimer]

Anybody in the Xen devel community going to be present at Kernel
Summit 2010?  (Not me.)

Maybe it's more ominous than it sounds, but I spotted this
topic ("Xen in or out", speaker Greg KH) in the proposed topic
list here:

https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2010-discuss/2010-September/000331.html

Re: Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

[Pasi Kärkkäinen]

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 07:43:23PM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> Anybody in the Xen devel community going to be present at Kernel
> Summit 2010?  (Not me.)
> 
> Maybe it's more ominous than it sounds, but I spotted this
> topic ("Xen in or out", speaker Greg KH) in the proposed topic
> list here:
> 
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2010-discuss/2010-September/000331.html
> 

Iirc Konrad wrote he's going there.. 
Sounds like some Xen people definitely should be there :)

-- Pasi

Re: Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

[Sander Eikelenboom]

Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 10:13:32 AM, you wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 07:43:23PM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
>> Anybody in the Xen devel community going to be present at Kernel
>> Summit 2010?  (Not me.)
>> 
>> Maybe it's more ominous than it sounds, but I spotted this
>> topic ("Xen in or out", speaker Greg KH) in the proposed topic
>> list here:
>> 
>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2010-discuss/2010-September/000331.html
>> 

> Iirc Konrad wrote he's going there.. 
> Sounds like some Xen people definitely should be there :)

> -- Pasi


Perhaps someone more into the hypervisor side of things (Keir?) could be wise too ?

I could imagine a discussion could go to how much Xen hypervisor wise has to/could change to make the kernel changes more clean and less intrusive, as that seems to be the old discussion that keeps popping up from time to time.
It also seems people are hesitant to get the patches in mainline because there doesn't seems to be much of an outline of what will come after the first perhaps less intrusive patches and fear there could be some crap later that is less easy to refuse since a part is allready in.
Any willingness and vision on that part could reduce the hesitation to include Xen patches in mainline i think.

--

Sander

Re: Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

[Keir Fraser]

On 19/10/2010 10:19, "Sander Eikelenboom" <linux@eikelenboom.it> wrote:

>> Iirc Konrad wrote he's going there..
>> Sounds like some Xen people definitely should be there :)
> 
>> -- Pasi
> 
> 
> Perhaps someone more into the hypervisor side of things (Keir?) could be wise
> too ?

Attendance at the kernel summit is by invitation only.

 -- Keir

> I could imagine a discussion could go to how much Xen hypervisor wise has
> to/could change to make the kernel changes more clean and less intrusive, as
> that seems to be the old discussion that keeps popping up from time to time.
> It also seems people are hesitant to get the patches in mainline because there
> doesn't seems to be much of an outline of what will come after the first
> perhaps less intrusive patches and fear there could be some crap later that is
> less easy to refuse since a part is allready in.
> Any willingness and vision on that part could reduce the hesitation to include
> Xen patches in mainline i think.
> 
> --
> 
> Sander
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Xen-devel mailing list
> Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel

Re: Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

[Sander Eikelenboom]

Tuesday, October 19, 2010, 12:09:45 PM, you wrote:

> On 19/10/2010 10:19, "Sander Eikelenboom" <linux@eikelenboom.it> wrote:

>>> Iirc Konrad wrote he's going there..
>>> Sounds like some Xen people definitely should be there :)
>> 
>>> -- Pasi
>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps someone more into the hypervisor side of things (Keir?) could be wise
>> too ?

> Attendance at the kernel summit is by invitation only.

Ahh i see that complicates it a bit :-)
Although an email to Greg KH if there could be any need from responses from within Xen on the points discussed could lead to something ?
On the other hand perhaps the kernel folks should first agree on what they think ...

I don't know if Jeremy goes ? He seems to be on the "potential invitation list".


>  -- Keir

>> I could imagine a discussion could go to how much Xen hypervisor wise has
>> to/could change to make the kernel changes more clean and less intrusive, as
>> that seems to be the old discussion that keeps popping up from time to time.
>> It also seems people are hesitant to get the patches in mainline because there
>> doesn't seems to be much of an outline of what will come after the first
>> perhaps less intrusive patches and fear there could be some crap later that is
>> less easy to refuse since a part is allready in.
>> Any willingness and vision on that part could reduce the hesitation to include
>> Xen patches in mainline i think.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Sander
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Xen-devel mailing list
>> Xen-devel@lists.xensource.com
>> http://lists.xensource.com/xen-devel





-- 
Best regards,
 Sander                            mailto:linux@eikelenboom.it

Re: Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 11:13:32AM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 07:43:23PM -0700, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> > Anybody in the Xen devel community going to be present at Kernel
> > Summit 2010?  (Not me.)
> > 
> > Maybe it's more ominous than it sounds, but I spotted this
> > topic ("Xen in or out", speaker Greg KH) in the proposed topic
> > list here:
> > 
> > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2010-discuss/2010-September/000331.html
> > 
> 
> Iirc Konrad wrote he's going there.. 

Well, I am going to the Linux Plumbers Conference. Jeremy is going
to the Linux Kernel Summit (I believe?) + Linux Plumbers Conference.

Re: Linux kernel summit 2010 topic: "Xen, in or out" (Greg KH)

[Jeremy Fitzhardinge]

 On 10/18/2010 07:43 PM, Dan Magenheimer wrote:
> Anybody in the Xen devel community going to be present at Kernel
> Summit 2010?  (Not me.)
>
> Maybe it's more ominous than it sounds, but I spotted this
> topic ("Xen in or out", speaker Greg KH) in the proposed topic
> list here:
>
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2010-discuss/2010-September/000331.html

We sorted it out.  He was mostly looking at the Novell Xen patch set and
wondering what's going on with Xen development (esp dom0).  I pointed
out that Novell maintains its own Xen patches which have little to do
with upstream, and explained what our strategy is for getting dom0
upstream.  He was happy with that, and has withdrawn the agenda item.

And BTW, I've been invited to the Kernel Summit for the last 5 years or
so to represent Xen's interests, so there's no risk of that kind of
conversation happening without proper representation ;)

    J