From: Oren Laadan <orenl-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kapil Arya <kapil-1vnkWVZi4QaVc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>,
Gene Cooperman <gene-1vnkWVZi4QaVc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>,
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Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:25:33 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE58BBD.8010706@cs.columbia.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117221713.GA27736-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
On 11/17/2010 05:17 PM, Matt Helsley wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:57:40PM +0100, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello, Oren.
>>
>> On 11/07/2010 10:59 PM, Oren Laadan wrote:
<snip>
>>> Or we could use linux-cr for that: do the c/r in the kernel,
>>> keep the know-how in the kernel, expose (and commit to) a
>>> per-kernel-version ABI (not vow to keep countless new individual
>
> Oren, that statement might be read to imply that it's based on
> something as useless as kernel version numbers. Arnd has pointed out in the
> past how unsuitable that is and I tend to agree. There are at least two
> possible things we can relate it to: the SHA of the compiled kernel tree
> (which doesn't quite work because it assumes everybody uses git trees :( ),
> or perhaps the SHA/hash of the cpp-processed checkpoint_hdr.h. We could
> also stuff that header into the kernel (much like kconfigs are output from
> /proc) for programs that want the kernel to describe the ABI to them.
BTW, it's the same for userspace c/r: for the same set of features,
the format (ABI) remains unchanged. Adding features breaks this and
a new version is necessary, and conversion from old to new will be
needed.
Moreover, supporting a new feature in userspace means adding the
proper API/ABI in the kernel, including refactoring etc, which is
even harder than adding the support for it in linux-cr.
Oren.
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From: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Gene Cooperman <gene@ccs.neu.edu>,
Kapil Arya <kapil@ccs.neu.edu>,
ksummit-2010-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hch@lst.de,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 15:25:33 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4CE58BBD.8010706@cs.columbia.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101117221713.GA27736@count0.beaverton.ibm.com>
On 11/17/2010 05:17 PM, Matt Helsley wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:57:40PM +0100, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello, Oren.
>>
>> On 11/07/2010 10:59 PM, Oren Laadan wrote:
<snip>
>>> Or we could use linux-cr for that: do the c/r in the kernel,
>>> keep the know-how in the kernel, expose (and commit to) a
>>> per-kernel-version ABI (not vow to keep countless new individual
>
> Oren, that statement might be read to imply that it's based on
> something as useless as kernel version numbers. Arnd has pointed out in the
> past how unsuitable that is and I tend to agree. There are at least two
> possible things we can relate it to: the SHA of the compiled kernel tree
> (which doesn't quite work because it assumes everybody uses git trees :( ),
> or perhaps the SHA/hash of the cpp-processed checkpoint_hdr.h. We could
> also stuff that header into the kernel (much like kconfigs are output from
> /proc) for programs that want the kernel to describe the ABI to them.
BTW, it's the same for userspace c/r: for the same set of features,
the format (ABI) remains unchanged. Adding features breaks this and
a new version is necessary, and conversion from old to new will be
needed.
Moreover, supporting a new feature in userspace means adding the
proper API/ABI in the kernel, including refactoring etc, which is
even harder than adding the support for it in linux-cr.
Oren.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-18 20:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.64.1011021530470.12128@takamine.ncl.cs.columbia.edu>
2010-11-02 21:35 ` [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch Tejun Heo
2010-11-02 21:47 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-04 1:47 ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-04 7:36 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 16:04 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-04 20:45 ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-06 6:48 ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-04 4:34 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04 14:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-11-04 3:40 ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-04 8:05 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 16:44 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-05 9:28 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-05 23:18 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06 10:13 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06 0:36 ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-06 22:55 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 19:42 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-07 21:30 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:05 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 3:55 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 16:26 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 18:14 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 18:37 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-08 19:34 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 19:05 ` Dan Smith
2010-11-17 11:14 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:33 ` Dan Smith
2010-11-17 15:40 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 17:04 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-17 10:45 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 12:12 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06 5:32 ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 15:01 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06 20:40 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-06 22:41 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 18:49 ` Gene Cooperman
[not found] ` <20101107184927.GF31077-Rl5vdzG4YPwx/1z6v04GWfZ8FUJU4vz8@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-07 21:59 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 21:59 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 11:57 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-17 15:39 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-11-17 15:46 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 9:13 ` Pavel Emelyanov
[not found] ` <4CE4EE21.6050305-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 9:48 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 9:48 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:13 ` Jose R. Santos
2010-11-19 3:54 ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-18 19:53 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-19 4:10 ` Serge Hallyn
2010-11-19 14:04 ` Tejun Heo
[not found] ` <4CE683E1.6010500-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 14:36 ` Kirill Korotaev
2010-11-19 14:36 ` Kirill Korotaev
[not found] ` <04F4899E-B5C7-4BAF-8F2F-05D507A91408-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 15:33 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 15:33 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:00 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:10 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:25 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:06 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:16 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:19 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:27 ` Alexey Dobriyan
[not found] ` <AANLkTin7kd3crS+fTLLea5PhAii7B3dz=n7p7YtQ6d4g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-19 16:32 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:32 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:38 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 16:50 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:50 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-19 16:55 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-20 17:58 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:08 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:08 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:11 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:11 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <4CE69B8C.6050606-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-20 18:15 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:15 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 19:33 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-21 8:18 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 8:18 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 8:21 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-22 18:02 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-23 17:53 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-24 3:50 ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-25 16:04 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-29 4:09 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 22:41 ` Grant Likely
2010-11-22 17:34 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-22 17:18 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-20 18:05 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-17 22:17 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20101117221713.GA27736-52DBMbEzqgQ/wnmkkaCWp/UQ3DHhIser@public.gmane.org>
2010-11-18 10:06 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 10:06 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 20:25 ` Oren Laadan [this message]
2010-11-18 20:25 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 21:44 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-07 23:31 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-05 22:24 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04 4:03 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-04 9:43 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-04 12:48 ` Luck, Tony
2010-11-04 13:06 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-06 10:12 ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 11:03 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-07 22:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2010-11-08 2:32 ` david
2010-11-18 20:41 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-05 3:55 ` Kapil Arya
2010-11-05 11:57 ` Luck, Tony
2010-11-05 17:17 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-06 1:16 ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 4:06 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-06 5:18 ` Matt Helsley
2010-11-06 21:00 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-05 17:31 ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2010-11-06 21:05 ` Oren Laadan
2010-11-08 16:55 ` Grant Likely
2010-11-08 21:01 ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-11 6:27 ` Nathan Lynch
2010-11-17 5:29 ` Anton Blanchard
2010-11-17 11:08 ` Tejun Heo
2010-11-18 9:53 ` Alan Cox
2010-11-18 12:27 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2010-11-19 6:33 ` Gene Cooperman
2010-11-21 23:20 ` Grant Likely
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