From: Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Locking in the clk API
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 07:16:04 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D3932B4.8010904@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110120190822.GK6335@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
On 01/20/2011 11:08 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 05:02:55PM +0000, Ben Dooks wrote:
>> If you want to make it so that each low-power mode has to work
>> out what PLLs need to be disabled and then re-enabled makes me
>> want to be sick. Hiding this stuff behind specific implementations
>> is a recipe for disaster.
>
> Why should systems which don't suffer from such problems be prevented
> from gaining power saving from turning off their clocks when devices
> are not being used (eg, the console serial port.)
>
> One solution to your root PLL issue would be to have a separate set of
> enable/disable API calls which get called at setup/release time (or
> whatever you'd like to call it) which can only be called from non-atomic
> context. Maybe clk_prepare() and clk_unprepare(). These functions
> should perform whatever is necessary to ensure that the clock source
> is available for use atomically when clk_enable() is called.
>
> So, in your case, clk_prepare() ensures that the root PLL is enabled,
> clk_unprepare() allows it to be turned off.
>
> In the case of a console driver, clk_prepare() can be called when we
> know the port will be used as a console. clk_enable() is then called
> before writing out the string, and clk_disable() after we've completely
> sent the last character.
>
> This allows the best of both worlds. We now have a clk_enable() which
> can be used to turn the clocks off through the clock tree up to the first
> non-atomic clock, and we also have a way to deal with those which need
> to sleep. So not only do "sleeping clock" implementations become possible
> but these "sleeping clock" implementations also get the opportunity to
> shutdown some of their clock tree with minimal latency for doing so.
This suggestion looked promising till I realized that clk_set_rate()
will still be atomic. clk_set_rate() will need to enable/disable the
PLLs depending on which PLLs the rates are derived from. So, the locking
in clk_prepare/unprepare() still has to be atomic since the "slow stuff"
is shared with clk_set_rate().
IMO, the most workable/flexible suggestion I have seen so far is:
- Having a way to explicitly ask for an atomic clock from clk_get().
That way the driver can decide to fail early during probe or decide to
enable/disable in open/close or if it gets atomic clocks to
enable/disable in atomic context.
- Atomic and sleep-able variants of clk_enable/disable/set_rate. I
personally prefer the existing APIs to be sleep-able and introduce new
atomic variants, but it's not worth the time arguing over that.
Taking one step at a time, do we all at least agree having two variants
of enable/disable/set_rate?
Thanks,
Saravana
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From: skannan@codeaurora.org (Saravana Kannan)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Locking in the clk API
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:16:04 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D3932B4.8010904@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110120190822.GK6335@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
On 01/20/2011 11:08 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 05:02:55PM +0000, Ben Dooks wrote:
>> If you want to make it so that each low-power mode has to work
>> out what PLLs need to be disabled and then re-enabled makes me
>> want to be sick. Hiding this stuff behind specific implementations
>> is a recipe for disaster.
>
> Why should systems which don't suffer from such problems be prevented
> from gaining power saving from turning off their clocks when devices
> are not being used (eg, the console serial port.)
>
> One solution to your root PLL issue would be to have a separate set of
> enable/disable API calls which get called at setup/release time (or
> whatever you'd like to call it) which can only be called from non-atomic
> context. Maybe clk_prepare() and clk_unprepare(). These functions
> should perform whatever is necessary to ensure that the clock source
> is available for use atomically when clk_enable() is called.
>
> So, in your case, clk_prepare() ensures that the root PLL is enabled,
> clk_unprepare() allows it to be turned off.
>
> In the case of a console driver, clk_prepare() can be called when we
> know the port will be used as a console. clk_enable() is then called
> before writing out the string, and clk_disable() after we've completely
> sent the last character.
>
> This allows the best of both worlds. We now have a clk_enable() which
> can be used to turn the clocks off through the clock tree up to the first
> non-atomic clock, and we also have a way to deal with those which need
> to sleep. So not only do "sleeping clock" implementations become possible
> but these "sleeping clock" implementations also get the opportunity to
> shutdown some of their clock tree with minimal latency for doing so.
This suggestion looked promising till I realized that clk_set_rate()
will still be atomic. clk_set_rate() will need to enable/disable the
PLLs depending on which PLLs the rates are derived from. So, the locking
in clk_prepare/unprepare() still has to be atomic since the "slow stuff"
is shared with clk_set_rate().
IMO, the most workable/flexible suggestion I have seen so far is:
- Having a way to explicitly ask for an atomic clock from clk_get().
That way the driver can decide to fail early during probe or decide to
enable/disable in open/close or if it gets atomic clocks to
enable/disable in atomic context.
- Atomic and sleep-able variants of clk_enable/disable/set_rate. I
personally prefer the existing APIs to be sleep-able and introduce new
atomic variants, but it's not worth the time arguing over that.
Taking one step at a time, do we all at least agree having two variants
of enable/disable/set_rate?
Thanks,
Saravana
--
Sent by an employee of the Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
The Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of the Code Aurora Forum.
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From: Saravana Kannan <skannan@codeaurora.org>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: "Ben Dooks" <ben-linux@fluff.org>,
"Lorenzo Pieralisi" <Lorenzo.Pieralisi@arm.com>,
"Vincent Guittot" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
linux-sh <linux-sh@vger.kernel.org>,
"Ben Herrenschmidt" <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
"Sascha Hauer" <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>,
"Jeremy Kerr" <jeremy.kerr@canonical.com>,
linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
"Richard Zhao" <linuxzsc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Locking in the clk API
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:16:04 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D3932B4.8010904@codeaurora.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110120190822.GK6335@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
On 01/20/2011 11:08 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 05:02:55PM +0000, Ben Dooks wrote:
>> If you want to make it so that each low-power mode has to work
>> out what PLLs need to be disabled and then re-enabled makes me
>> want to be sick. Hiding this stuff behind specific implementations
>> is a recipe for disaster.
>
> Why should systems which don't suffer from such problems be prevented
> from gaining power saving from turning off their clocks when devices
> are not being used (eg, the console serial port.)
>
> One solution to your root PLL issue would be to have a separate set of
> enable/disable API calls which get called at setup/release time (or
> whatever you'd like to call it) which can only be called from non-atomic
> context. Maybe clk_prepare() and clk_unprepare(). These functions
> should perform whatever is necessary to ensure that the clock source
> is available for use atomically when clk_enable() is called.
>
> So, in your case, clk_prepare() ensures that the root PLL is enabled,
> clk_unprepare() allows it to be turned off.
>
> In the case of a console driver, clk_prepare() can be called when we
> know the port will be used as a console. clk_enable() is then called
> before writing out the string, and clk_disable() after we've completely
> sent the last character.
>
> This allows the best of both worlds. We now have a clk_enable() which
> can be used to turn the clocks off through the clock tree up to the first
> non-atomic clock, and we also have a way to deal with those which need
> to sleep. So not only do "sleeping clock" implementations become possible
> but these "sleeping clock" implementations also get the opportunity to
> shutdown some of their clock tree with minimal latency for doing so.
This suggestion looked promising till I realized that clk_set_rate()
will still be atomic. clk_set_rate() will need to enable/disable the
PLLs depending on which PLLs the rates are derived from. So, the locking
in clk_prepare/unprepare() still has to be atomic since the "slow stuff"
is shared with clk_set_rate().
IMO, the most workable/flexible suggestion I have seen so far is:
- Having a way to explicitly ask for an atomic clock from clk_get().
That way the driver can decide to fail early during probe or decide to
enable/disable in open/close or if it gets atomic clocks to
enable/disable in atomic context.
- Atomic and sleep-able variants of clk_enable/disable/set_rate. I
personally prefer the existing APIs to be sleep-able and introduce new
atomic variants, but it's not worth the time arguing over that.
Taking one step at a time, do we all at least agree having two variants
of enable/disable/set_rate?
Thanks,
Saravana
--
Sent by an employee of the Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc.
The Qualcomm Innovation Center, Inc. is a member of the Code Aurora Forum.
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2011-01-11 2:16 Locking in the clk API Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 2:16 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 2:16 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 3:15 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 3:15 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 3:15 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 4:11 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 4:11 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 4:11 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 4:54 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 4:54 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 4:54 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-20 16:32 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:32 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:32 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 18:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-20 18:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-20 18:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 3:43 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-21 3:43 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-21 3:43 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-21 9:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 9:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 9:31 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 9:03 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-01-11 9:03 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-01-11 9:03 ` Sascha Hauer
2011-01-11 9:28 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 9:28 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 9:28 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 14:34 ` Pavel Machek
2011-01-11 14:34 ` Pavel Machek
2011-01-11 14:34 ` Pavel Machek
2011-01-20 16:29 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:29 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:29 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 18:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-20 18:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-20 18:56 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-20 21:30 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-20 21:30 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-20 21:30 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 2:06 ` Dima Zavin
2011-01-21 2:06 ` Dima Zavin
2011-01-21 2:06 ` Dima Zavin
2011-01-21 4:12 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-21 4:12 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-21 4:12 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-21 9:32 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 9:32 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 9:32 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-22 1:53 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-22 2:24 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-22 2:56 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-22 9:15 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-24 19:31 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-21 21:03 ` Dima Zavin
2011-01-21 21:03 ` Dima Zavin
2011-01-21 21:03 ` Dima Zavin
2011-01-21 21:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 21:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 21:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 22:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 22:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 22:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 22:28 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-21 22:28 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-21 22:28 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-21 23:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-01-21 23:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-01-21 23:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2011-01-21 23:50 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 23:50 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 23:50 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-22 1:35 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-22 1:35 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-22 1:35 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-22 2:22 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-22 2:22 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-22 2:22 ` Colin Cross
2011-01-21 22:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 22:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 22:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-01-21 23:28 ` Bryan Huntsman
2011-01-21 23:28 ` Bryan Huntsman
2011-01-21 23:28 ` Bryan Huntsman
2011-01-11 9:16 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 9:16 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 9:16 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 9:44 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 9:44 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 9:44 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 10:13 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 10:13 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 10:13 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 10:30 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 10:30 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 10:30 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 12:18 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 12:18 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 12:18 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-11 13:52 `
2011-01-11 13:52 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-11 13:52 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-11 14:35 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 14:35 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-11 14:35 ` Jeremy Kerr
2011-01-12 3:25 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-12 3:25 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-12 3:25 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-12 7:40 `
2011-01-12 7:40 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-12 7:40 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-12 1:54 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-12 1:54 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-12 1:54 ` Saravana Kannan
2011-01-12 2:25 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-12 2:25 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-12 2:25 ` Paul Mundt
2011-01-20 16:57 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:57 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:57 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:53 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:53 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:53 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:40 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:40 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 16:40 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-11 10:39 `
2011-01-11 10:39 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-11 10:39 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-11 10:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 10:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 10:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-11 10:56 `
2011-01-11 10:56 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-11 10:56 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2011-01-11 11:15 ` Richard Zhao
2011-01-11 11:15 ` Richard Zhao
2011-01-11 11:15 ` Richard Zhao
2011-01-20 17:02 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 17:02 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 17:02 ` Ben Dooks
2011-01-20 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-20 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-20 19:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-01-21 0:09 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 0:09 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 0:09 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 4:47 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 4:47 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 4:47 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 9:39 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2011-01-21 10:11 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 10:11 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-21 10:11 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-22 4:08 ` Richard Zhao
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2011-01-22 4:08 ` Richard Zhao
2011-01-22 5:30 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-22 5:30 ` Jassi Brar
2011-01-22 5:30 ` Jassi Brar
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2011-01-21 9:40 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2011-01-27 20:43 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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2011-01-11 12:11 ` Jassi Brar
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2011-01-12 2:56 ` Saravana Kannan
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